Schneider Trophy.

Just supposin !. What do you reckon modern day entrants would turn up to race in if a Schneider Trophy race series was resurrected purely for seaplanes / amphibians ?. Would the current seaplane speed record get broken ?

I believe a scaled down replica S65 was built and flown for a few years sometime back in the seventies, does it still exist.

Cheers

Gary

I’d cheat:)

The Replica S5, was designed by Ray Hilborne (Winchester) now deceased. I produced several components (some as “Homers” at work!) The engine was a Rolls Royce 210 Continental, I made a “prop boss” to extend the position of the VP airscrew. The test pilot was Captain Keith Sissons and it was flown from Calshot. On one occasion as we sat in a rib, John Hall (pilot on the day) open the throttle and me being a landlubber had the rope attached to the tail fin around my wrist and was promptly ditched into a cold sea. An ASR Wessex from the RN provided a flying calibration airspeed check flying alongside the replica. A machine of beauty !

Ralph,
Am much obliged for your info. Thanks!

Wout,

The aircraft was basically at 1:1 scale with some small modifications to the fuselage to provide the pilot with more room and visibility and also to accomodate the RR Continetal I0-360 aircooled engine. The floats are also smaller as the replica was considerable lighter than the original. The usual designation is S5R, the ‘R’ standing for replica.

I do not believe the aircraft ever carried any markings other than N220 on the tail and racing number 4. These are the markings of the S5 that won the Scheider Trophy contest in 1927. The other numbers you mention relate to the S6b, probably on the non-flying replica build around the same time as the S5R.

Cheers

Ralph

Hi to all!
I am new to the forum and read with interest the postings on the S-5 replica in which Mr. Bill Hosier Sr. was sadly killed in 1987.
I have a couple of questions, perhaps easily answerable for you experts. I have the feeling much info on the aircraft was not entirely correct and sometimes contradicting. Here we go:
Engine is the 210hp RR/Continental IO-360-C and not Napier. Correct?
Is G-BDFF to full scale or 7/8 scale
What is official designation for the replica: S-5R, S-65, S-5/6, S-6B, S-5B.
Registration G-BDFF and tail N220 and raceno. 1 on fuselage
What is connection (reason) for also seeing photos of aircraft with race no.4 and N595 on the tail (am I missing something)
Thank you in advance for your help
Best regards, Wout (Walter)

Wish I wasn’t so cack handed and live so far from Taunton. What a great project.
Good luck.

Supermarine seaplane

Hello
I friend has given me a heads up on your conversataion

My name is Bill Hosie and my father was the Gentleman killed in the supermarine S5 on May 27th 1987

I am after building another one and if you wish to be involved please contact me 07500 332 060
[email]whosie@tagaviation.co.uk[/email]

Bregards

Bill Hosie
Taunton
Somerset

The S5/6 scale replica was damaged I believe in a flyiing incident at Thorpe Park and then rebuilt many years later. It crashed in Carrick Roads near Falmouth killing the owner Bill Hosie. The year escapes me for the moment but it was at least ten years ago.
Hall Leisuresports had a great show with their replicas, correct me but they also had Tigers and perhaps a Stampe. Wasn’t the DH2 built for them too?

There is a memorial bench at St Just in Roseland church, (probably one of the most picturesque churches anywhere) where the plane left from on Sat 23rd May 1987. This photo was taken a long time ago. I stumbled across it whilst looking through some old photos of a friend from Looe who recently passed away.

Ivan

Jacques Schneider thought seaplanes were the future of air travel and it needed a push to accelerate development. Currently, Wing In Surface Effect (WISE) Vehicles technology needs that push also. They are approximately 8 time faster than ships and their required power to gross weight ratio is approximately 66% of an aircraft operating at the same speed. See attached Von Karman-Gabrielli Diagram for efficiencies of various means of Transport. Also attached are some examples of WISE vehicles based on Russian Designs which Bugatti is trying to sell to as yachts.

Unfortunately the WIGE principle suffers the same problem as the Hoovercraft, the required lift power is vastly greater than that required for propulsion. I cannot remember the title but there is a very good book on the two concepts which goes into it in depth.

You could have fun competing in a rejuvinated Schneider tropy race in one of these!

Saunders-Roe SR.A/1

What do you reckon modern day entrants would turn up to race in if a Schneider Trophy race series was resurrected?

A Supermarine Seafang float plane.

It is viable…with a bit of help from Lady Houston 🙂

Mark

G-BDFF was powered by 1 x CONTINENTAL MOTORS CORP IO-360-C according to G-INFO. I have a feeling it less than full size, ie 7/8 scale which would preclude the use of the proper Napier Lion.
I remember seeing it display on several occasions, including Greenham Common.

Richard

Roger,

Design ideas at the end of the ’20s and into the earliest ’30s was begining to return back to monoplane flying boats and twin engines were favoured.

SM

Planes of Fame at Chino have listed on their web site Supermarine S6B, Macchi M39, Curtiss R3C and Deperdussen 1913, all repilcas, are these anything to do with the old Thorpe Park collection ? I seem to remember seeing these on my first visit to Chine in the early 1990’s, but dont recall them being on display couple of years ago. Are they in stoarge or on display at another location ?

The S-5 replica (N220 / G-BDFF) was designed by Ray Hilborne for Leisure Sport and owned by Bill Hosie, his father was killed in it in 1987 over Carrick Roads. It had suffered a previous accident.
Although another source states it was powered by a Napier I would be very surprised, the prop looks Lycoming type.
Bill Hosie was intending to build another, but not sure what happened to that scheme.

Nice pic of G-BDFF here

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.abpic.co.uk/images/images/1046041M.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1046041/&start=1&h=391&w=550&sz=48&tbnid=4ruOMrBFWOWFKM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=133&hl=en&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsupermarine%2Bs5%2Breplica%26gbv%3D1%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN&um=1

Going back to the first post does anyone have any thoughts on where seaplane design might have gone if Great Britain had not won the trophy outright?.
Would development have continued up to the outbreak of war? and where might that have put specs/designs for military types during WW2?. Two thoughts I have on areas development might have benefitted:
Atlantic Convoy protection and the Pacific War (the SARO SRA/1 was designed for this).

Roger Smith.

Schneider Trophy Like Race for Wing In Surface Effect (WISE) Vehicles

Jacques Schneider thought seaplanes were the future of air travel and it needed a push to accelerate development. Currently, Wing In Surface Effect (WISE) Vehicles technology needs that push also. They are approximately 8 time faster than ships and their required power to gross weight ratio is approximately 66% of an aircraft operating at the same speed. See attached Von Karman-Gabrielli Diagram for efficiencies of various means of Transport. Also attached are some examples of WISE vehicles based on Russian Designs which Bugatti is trying to sell to as yachts.

They had a taxyiable Vicker Viking replica as well (the biplane not post war airliner)

I eventually got to go to Thorpe park but sadly that had moved on just before.

Garry

Sure that S-5 replica had something less interesting than a napier lion-a lycoming springs to mind!

The S5/6 scale replica was damaged I believe in a flyiing incident at Thorpe Park and then rebuilt many years later. It crashed in Carrick Roads near Falmouth killing the owner Bill Hosie. The year escapes me for the moment but it was at least ten years ago.
Hall Leisuresports had a great show with their replicas, correct me but they also had Tigers and perhaps a Stampe. Wasn’t the DH2 built for them too?