Science Museum "Inspired" project dumped by ITV and "The Big Lottery"

Don’t suppose there is any point objecting to these rather sweeping and rude statements is there? Or pointing out the long and fruitful relationship between cycling and aviation? In a world where Jeremy Clarkson is revered, I suppose not.

So that was a weeping and rude statement eh!

I suggest that you ask the cyclist that I hit with my door mirror (I was driving an 10 tonne rigid at the time). I’m indicating to turn left and he came up on the left of my vehicle, intending to go straight on, and then wondered why he got hit.

“Why don’t you watch were you’re f…..g going, you f…..g moron” was the response I was given.

…or the cyclist that rode off the pavement, into the road without any care for the fact that there was an 18 tonne vehicle bearing down on him and then flicks the middle finger like its my fault…

…or the cyclist that jumps the red light and got hit by a car, who had the right of way and the cyclist shouts out “why don’t you take more care, Asshole”…

…or the cyclists that insist on riding more that two abreast on narrow roads, without a care in the world and then wonder why those on the outside get blown about by the slipstream from overtaking vehicles, usually at an inappropriate time, because the cyclist has a right to be there and wont move over to allow traffic to pass safely…

…or the cyclist that continuously jump from pavement to the road, usually without looking what’s coming up behind them and then gets knocked off by a car.

…or the cyclist that knocked a pedestrian down, on the pavement, because she didn’t feel safe on the roads. Well try walking or getting a bus then Dear?

…or the cyclist that I very nearly killed yesterday at 06:37, in Newark, who was on the road, with no lights or Hi-vis clothing and was also smoking and I did not see him until he served to avoid a damaged manhole cover (maybe the lit cigarette was his light system!). When I stopped to see if he was OK, not only was my parentage put into question but apparently I’m also a c**t!

Having witnessed all of the above, I don’t feel that my statement was sweeping and rude and could list many more examples of inappropriate road usage by cyclists, so would you like me to go on?

As for Mr Clarkson, he’s possibly the best thing on TV and he gets my vote everytime.

Jeremy Clarkson for the Ministry of Transport….

xn293 wrote on cycling

Well if you don’t mind the rest of the road users pointing out that cyclists benefit from a road and cycle infrastructure for which they do not contribute in the same financial way as motorists/ motor cyclists ( rfl) Nor do they face up to the liabilities of third party cover with insurance as the above are legally required. Just an o/t thought or two 🙂

Ah, the old ‘road tax’ myth. Vehicle Excise Duty is a tax on motor vehicles, not a payment to cover road use. Motorists don’t pay for the infrastructure, all taxpayers do. Motorists pay for the privilege of putting far more wear and tear on that infrastructure than everyone else. Would you charge pedestrians for using the pavements or crossing the road?

But we are very o/t now and I’m not going to push it. Wouldn’t want to be thought of as part of a lycra clad vocal minority. I’m a cyclist, a motorist and an aviation enthusiast – why do we have to have this ‘them and us’ about everything?

I have been following this story on another aviation forum.

They were actively campaigning against this plan, as it meant the complete destruction of the airfield.:mad:

Is that really relevant for Wroughton, as it is seldom used by any aircraft these days. The Science Museum killed off any aviation events such as the ‘Great Warbirds’ air show and the PFA Rally by asking too much money for the use of the airfield. The few times the airfield is ever used, they have to bring in special fire cover etc. Is is really worth keeping it open as an ‘airfield’?

The Vulcan Effect?

Despite the glorious outcome of that project so far, I fear we’ll hear this phrase a lot in the years to come.

If this is indeed the list then cycleways gets my vote, anything that gets rid of the obnoxious gits cycling on the roads can’t be a bad thing:diablo:

Don’t suppose there is any point objecting to these rather sweeping and rude statements is there? Or pointing out the long and fruitful relationship between cycling and aviation? In a world where Jeremy Clarkson is revered, I suppose not.

2. “Sustrans” cycleways. Do we reall need more bijou bridges and painted pavements to appease a lycra-clad vocal minority?

If this is indeed the list then cycleways gets my vote, anything that gets rid of the obnoxious gits cycling on the roads can’t be a bad thing:diablo:

It is a very neat idea at Sheppey,the proposals mesh together Eco friendly buildings, nearby nature reserves, job creation, training for skills and a museum. Interesting web site as well.

The Flying Start project on Sheppey is a project bidding in the Big Lottery Fund ‘Living Landmarks programme’ and from their website they are still in the running – http://www.theflyingstart.co.uk/news/show/18/Flying_Start_Wings_into_Shortlist

They are one of 23 projects bidding for grants from this fund, and according to the Lottery website, the winners will be chosen by a committee this Autumn.

A second initiative entitled ‘Living Landmarks: The People’s Millions’ is the one that will be decided by a public vote, and the one that has unfortunately dropped the Science Museum Inspired project.

Details of both here:- http://www.biglotteryfund.org.uk/prog_livinglandmarks

Dean.

That’s good news – fingers crossed that they are successful!

Is the Flying Start Project on the Isle of Sheppey also affected by this decision on a final short-list of four projects?

… Finally – what are the other schemes competing for this £50m Lottery Award? I think the very impressive looking Isle of Sheppey aviation heritage scheme is in a Lottery Award scheme – is it the same one?

The Flying Start project on Sheppey is a project bidding in the Big Lottery Fund ‘Living Landmarks programme’ and from their website they are still in the running – http://www.theflyingstart.co.uk/news/show/18/Flying_Start_Wings_into_Shortlist

They are one of 23 projects bidding for grants from this fund, and according to the Lottery website, the winners will be chosen by a committee this Autumn.

A second initiative entitled ‘Living Landmarks: The People’s Millions’ is the one that will be decided by a public vote, and the one that has unfortunately dropped the Science Museum Inspired project.

Details of both here:- http://www.biglotteryfund.org.uk/prog_livinglandmarks

Dean.

I have been following this story on another aviation forum.

They were actively campaigning against this plan, as it meant the complete destruction of the airfield.:mad:

Their video makes mention of glider flights, which means at least part of the airfield must be remaining usable. I bet they didn’t dare blot their green credentials by mentioning noisy, smelly, wonderful old aeroplanes!

More worryingly for me, the video seems to show both a BE-2c and something that looks like a red Tipsy hanging from the roof.
Do they know something I don’t?? 😮

It is a shame if not criminal hat the Inspired project has been removed from the list.

Britain with all its Science and Industry Heritage needs a place where this is celebrated for the nation, Wroughton is the ideal location.

It is not just aircraft but a fantastic collection of Science and Industry related material!

The story about losing the arfield is a joke, they intend to build a large additional building and keep the remaining hangers.

Actually a very functional building compares to RAFM and IWM developments.

It is not surprsising that this decision has been made though:

1 Britain is only talking green these days, even though it is on a third world level when it comes to recycling, pollution and modern technologies used in house building, etc.

2 Britain lost its industry and is now blaming the industry for pollution etc.

3 The organizers of the event knew that the Science Museum had a very good chance of winning this, and removed them from the race to let the green (politically correct) vote win.

The Inspired project will happen sooner or later.

Saving the environment is not being achieved by planting trees and living in a bubble.

It is a challenge that has to be met by Science and Industry.

That is why Wroughton and the Science Museum will in the end get there!!!

Once again has industry in Britain been treated wrongly by peole with no vision and an extreme political vision!

Hang in there Science Museum!

… and as a Cornishman I take exception to the ‘obscure corner of Britian’ bit

As someone who appreciates the beauty of Cornwall too – if not the time us grockles take to get there – I apologise forthwith – and have duly amended my thread to read “distant” ! 😮

I have been following this story on another aviation forum.

They were actively campaigning against this plan, as it meant the complete destruction of the airfield.:mad:

Lottery Grants

Didn’t the IHM have a Lottery grant some years ago and, IIRC, are preparing for another one???

Roger Smith.

The following point may be controversial – but I guess from another perspective you could argue that the aviation sector has already benefited significantly from the Lottery funding, a quick run through off the top of my head:

Hendon – Grahame White & Milestones of Flight

Duxford – Super Hanger?; American Hangar & Air Space

Cosford – Visitor Centre & Cold War

Yeovilton – Restoration Centre

Vulcan to The Sky

Elvington – first T2 hangar

Newark – hangar 2 etc etc etc

As another Cornishman, I think the Eden project has used up quite enough public and lottery money.
I have heard that if Wroughton got lottery money it would have been a double edged knife, as it might have lost its airfield status.

This is not just about aviation, this is the History of Science & Technology in transport and the Wroughton collection comprises so much more than just aircraft – vintage cars, buses, tractors, the SRN-1 Hovercraft prototype etc. This would have been showcase for future generations to see all these including the aircraft…..now they just have to remain housed in a series of WW2 hangars!! What an opportunity missed!:mad:

The Science Museum has an amazing collection of aeronautica that for many years has carried the title ‘The National Aeronautical Collection’.

The SM went through an aircraft “collecting phase” a few decades ago acquiring, at that time, many of the aircraft now at Wroughton, Connie, Trident, B.247, DC-3, DH 84, Piaggio P.166, etc. However that “phase” stopped and I don’t think they have added another airframe to the NAC in the last 20 years (but I may be wrong).

The video seems to show a DH/BAe 146, a Beech Staggerwing, a red 1930s US racer(?) and a B.E2(???) will this project re-awaken their interest in expanding the NAC? – pity they missed the Cosford B.707

I seem to remember reading that if this project is built Wroughton would lose it’s status as an airfield denying any active historic aeroplanes from displaying. Is that the case – the video shows what might be still a runway?

Finally – what are the other schemes competing for this £50m Lottery Award? I think the very impressive looking Isle of Sheppey aviation heritage scheme is in a Lottery Award scheme – is it the same one?

The “flythrough” video can be found on www.fbhvc.co.uk.

Roger Smith.

Wasn’t the Eden Project built with some Lottery funding and isn’t it now the biggest tourist attraction in the UK?

I don’t mean to criticise the Eden Project itself, it is a good example of a successful Lottery project (and there have been many disasters) but shouldn’t it now be able to ‘stand on it own two feet’?

Have to say (and I think this is mentioned on threads about tv coverage of the vulcan) it looks like those are going for the “populist” vote. Seaking93 hit the nail on the head when saying that aircraft preservation is practically unknown to the bulk of the population. Unfortunately we also don’t do ourselves any favours by jumping up and down and saying everything else is rubbish. We need to be promoting the positives about the preservation movement.