scorpene's match? any?

Isn´t Dolphin class a close relative to the 214/212 ??

Not really, these boats are smaller and are a joint effort between Germany and Norway paid for by Americans for use in Israel.

Hello Austin, Could you please tell me about the HDW scandal?, or point me to a source where I can find more info. Thanks.

Isn´t Dolphin class a close relative to the 214/212 ??

The A-90B and the U-212/214’s are both damd fine subs but if you want my vote I’d have to go with the Dolphine class, if one side buys these subs then any Skorpene would have a hard time trying to find them. Currently there are three in Israeli Service

INS’s Dolphin, Leviathan and Tekuma

Here’s a pic of Leviathan being accepted in service, on the other side is Dolphin

Agosta-90b can stay under water for longer period i guess?

Had it not been for the HDW scandal , the IN would have gone for U-212/214 and not for the scorpene , the U-214 is probably the best SSK in it class although the scorpene also stands out for its unique feature , Jonesy how will you compare the Amur Sub and the Scorpene Sub since the IN will go for both of these subs , how does the Scorpene compare with the Agosta-90B and the Amur compare with U-214

Tend to agree with the Type214. Just on basic principle German subs are very good news!.

Problem is that its very, very difficult to make a comparison of modern SSK’s as the ‘winner’ in a direct confrontation between two differing types is more likely to be the result of better handling, tactical skills or more reliable torpedoes than on any specific slight advantage one boat may seem to have over another.

For instance an early Pr 877 Kilo could quite easily tag a RAN Collins if the Aussie boat isn’t alert and the Kilo has the tactical position to let the Collins wander into its sights. Reversing that if the Kilo has to move more than a dozen or so nm’s, within a few hours, to make its intercept then the advantage switches to the Aussies with their superior sensor fit.

AIP makes some difference, but, all AIP gives you, really, is the ability to creep along at a couple of knots for a couple of days, perhaps, without going indiscrete and snorting. Useful for covertly patrolling within a few nm’s of a fixed datum for a little while or sneaking up on an anchorage discretely thats about it though. AIP offers very little advantage to an SSK actively trying to hunt another sub.

To arrive at the ‘best’ SSK would depend, totally, on what missions you forsee your navy using SSK’s for. For short range coastal work a big Japanese Oyashio-Class boat would probably be a poor choice, wheras, for long-range work a Norwegian Ula-Class, despite being excellent inshore, would be equally unsuitable. The German Type214 is probably a good compromise between both kinds of SSK.

Hdw U214.