Scotland and the UK

😮 Westminister a ” regional ” assembly???

ok….so dissolve Westminster, Scottish ,Welsh and Northern Ireland Assemblies…everyone to head for the House of Reps or the Senate?

or am i reading you wrong….or did you read me wrong ?? 😀

World president George? dear god help us all!

No no no, Intergrate everybody into a single democratic authority, call it what you like, just make sure you sack vast numbers of civil serveants in the process.:D

[QUOTE=Phil Foster;1098253]I’ll bet you I am as ‘Celtic’ as you are for a start QUOTE]

Emmmmm….

“…When asked my nationality I always say British although strictly speaking I am English .”

Born in England, Celtic parents?…..any good at Soccer..we need some help!! 😀

Forget my last post…I’ve just checked and we may all be better off in the EU (if the EU would allow it).

Currently votes/population stand as:

Germany (29/82.1), France (29/61.4), United Kingdom (29/60.5), Italy (29/58.0), Spain (27/44.7)…

…Finland (7/5.2), Ireland (7/4.2), Lithuania (7/3.4), Latvia (4/2.3)…Malta (3/0.4).

How would the EU feel about England (28/50.5), Scotland (7/5.1), Wales (6/3.0) and Northern Ireland (4/1.7)?

Interesting.

Do you mean a diluted United Kingdom or do you appreciate the strength that Scotland, Wales and NI bring to the ‘England brand’ ?

I didn’t explain what I meant very well.

I certainly appreciate the strength that (England,) Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland bring to the United Kingdom.

But I think that the EU would view ‘the sum of its parts’ less that the United Kingdom as a whole.

Even if Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland voted the same way as England would that be as effective as a single (larger) United Kingdom vote?

With many new countries entering the EU there is pressure by countries to exert as much voting influence as possible. If the United Kingdom was to break up I would worry that England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland would all lose out.

UK just another American State???

😮 Westminister a ” regional ” assembly???

It would make me very happy, becouse it wouldnt cost as much. Regional assemblies are a pointless exercise in wasting money, nothing more.

ok….so dissolve Westminster, Scottish ,Welsh and Northern Ireland Assemblies…everyone to head for the House of Reps or the Senate?

or am i reading you wrong….or did you read me wrong ?? 😀

World president George? dear god help us all!

so you would have us leave our affairs to Westminster??? why not go the full hog and leave it to the White house…might as well..they make most of the important decisions anyway..now wouldnt that make you happy !!!:D

You see unfortunately you didnt read my posting in its entirety….I think you should devolve power to the various countries but retain a ” watch guard ” in Westminster…that doesnt mean the complete dissolution of the UK…nothing like it..just more control & influence being in the hands of the people ..now is that a different understanding of the basis of Democracy to yours?

It would make me very happy, becouse it wouldnt cost as much. Regional assemblies are a pointless exercise in wasting money, nothing more.

Now ask anybody in the UK what they feel about voting, you will find that most of them dont. You can rant ME??? leave that to the master!!about history until you are blue in the face, most of these organisations simply waste vast sums of money and do little different to what westminster would do.

dont you think that everyone can learn from the mistakes of history? dont you think that even in a perfect world you can learn from the past? dont you think that those mistakes should be addressed and the wrongs put right were possible?

Whilst your at it ask anyone in England how they feel about subsidising such little extravagances.:rolleyes:

So democracy is an extravagance? Strange i thought that might arise some time alright.. And you want your money back? ok…so when will England pay Scotland back for the oil and Wales for the coal for starters?

so you would have us leave our affairs to Westminster??? why not go the full hog and leave it to the White house…might as well..they make most of the important decisions anyway..now wouldnt that make you happy !!!:D

You see unfortunately you didnt read my posting in its entirety….I think you should devolve power to the various countries but retain a ” watch guard ” in Westminster…that doesnt mean the complete dissolution of the UK…nothing like it..just more control & influence being in the hands of the people ..now is that a different understanding of the basis of Democracy to yours?

Hurrifan have you asked all 60 million people in the UK if they want people like you to tear their country apart?

it is my country too old son,…or at least part of it is..

Or is it just a prejudiced assumtion based on an out of date historical perception?

No i dont make assumptions unlike some here..i deal in facts..So what exactly is the “out of date historical perception ” that you refer to?

I’ll bet you I am as ‘Celtic’ as you are for a start (I appologise if I am wrong about this assumption its just that you said your partner was from The Republic of Ireland). Mine is Welsh.

lucky you….lovely accent!:) .

Nothing is as clear cut as many ameteurs like us think it is and my opinion is that together we stand and divided………………………..well you know what I mean so please leave my not just yours country alone and let people decide for themselves.

isnt this an open forum ? isnt everyone entitled to an opinion? you see this is the point ..for too long some of us in the UK WERENT entitled to an opinion or for that matter a vote…and we are still putting up with the consequences of that and a remote uncaring london based government…as are the Scots and the Welsh

Many thanks. 🙂

dont mention it !!:diablo:

to assume …to make an ” ASS ” of ” U ” and “ME” !! 😀

not so sure about the last bit mind you!! 😀

Hurrifan have you asked all 60 million people in the UK if they want people like you to tear their country apart? Or is it just a prejudiced assumtion based on an out of date historical perception?

I’ll bet you I am as ‘Celtic’ as you are for a start (I appologise if I am wrong about this assumption its just that you said your partner was from The Republic of Ireland). Mine is Welsh.

Nothing is as clear cut as many ameteurs like us think it is and my opinion is that together we stand and divided………………………..well you know what I mean so please leave my country alone and let people decide for themselves.

Many thanks. 🙂

What do people in England feel about subsidising the London Olympic games, Portcullis House and that wonderfully iconic waste of time The ‘Linoleum’ Dome ? Bigger extravagances I can’t think of ?

At least the regional assemblies actually achieve the odd thing, now and again.

The odd things certainly do not cover the vast sums of money that is wasted on them.

Whilst your at it ask anyone in England how they feel about subsidising such little extravagances.:rolleyes:

What do people in England feel about subsidising the London Olympic games, Portcullis House and that wonderfully iconic waste of time The ‘Linoleum’ Dome ? Bigger extravagances I can’t think of ?

At least the regional assemblies actually achieve the odd thing, now and again.

:confused: We are talking about an area somewhat bigger than a council area arnt we ? :rolleyes:

and after all what influence does a local council in Gowan or Banbridge or powys have over a decision made in London? Damn all….better that they have a local body with more immediate responsibility and a more immediate concern as to the views of the populace of their respective countries.

Ask any Scot how they feel about a distant and what was perceived as an uncaring Westminster having had the power to decide what happened to Scotland’s oil . Ask anyone of any creed how they felt living in Northern Ireland from the 20’s to the 60’s where they couldnt vote unless they owned a property .Ask them how they felt about a Westminster that left them without even basic human rights.

If full devolution took place at least then the Westminster Parliament wouldn’t have any excuses about not dealing with some of the more deprived areas and people….

And then of course there is Cornwall…:D

Now ask anybody in the UK what they feel about voting, you will find that most of them dont. You can rant about history until you are blue in the face, most of these organisations simply waste vast sums of money and do little different to what westminster would do.

Whilst your at it ask anyone in England how they feel about subsidising such little extravagances.:rolleyes:

Local problems is why we have local councils.:rolleyes:

:confused: We are talking about an area somewhat bigger than a council area arnt we ? :rolleyes:

and after all what influence does a local council in Gowan or Banbridge or powys have over a decision made in London? Damn all….better that they have a local body with more immediate responsibility and a more immediate concern as to the views of the populace of their respective countries.

Ask any Scot how they feel about a distant and what was perceived as an uncaring Westminster having had the power to decide what happened to Scotland’s oil . Ask anyone of any creed how they felt living in Northern Ireland from the 20’s to the 60’s where they couldnt vote unless they owned a property .Ask them how they felt about a Westminster that left them without even basic human rights.

If full devolution took place at least then the Westminster Parliament wouldn’t have any excuses about not dealing with some of the more deprived areas and people….

And then of course there is Cornwall…:D

I would imagine that the French, Germans and Italians would welcome dealing with a diluted English instead of UK voting block.

Do you mean a diluted United Kingdom or do you appreciate the strength that Scotland, Wales and NI bring to the ‘England brand’ ?

Dont get me started on this. The Scottish and Welsh assemplies realy frustrate me. Not becouse I am a raving British nationalist but becouse It is just another layer of pointless beauracracy that has to be payed for by the people. At the end of the day who cares who rules you, as long as its democratic, they speak the same language. At the end of the day they all liars and all their policies will be more or less the same.

True…

if the people want local representatives dealing with their particular issues surely that is their right?? isnt that what we call democracy?

I agree that it seems senseless that soon there will be effectively 4 parliaments ,with reps from some still at Westminister,but each nation within the UK is unique and has its own unique problems. Its time to look at the old ideas and accepted thinking and change what needs to be changed.

You need local politicians (with a local electorate keeping their eyes open) running each country and dealing with their own problems.

Perhaps what is needed is for each country to have their own legislature but with a watchfull eye being kept from a central body that is able to step in if and only if something is very wrong.

Hopefully this would prevent the kind of mess that that was allowed to develop with a bunch of religous bigots running N.Ireland from the 20’s to the ’60’s .

Local problems is why we have local councils.:rolleyes:

I think it’s all too easy to think that Scotland or Wales would be better off if they were independent but would they.

In ‘Britain’ we often complain bitterly about how our lives seem to be governed by ‘Europe’, that is, by the European Union. The EU is a democracy based (roughly) on population but with the larger members claiming an ‘unfair’ advantage.

I wonder how all our interests would be served if the EU started dealing with the population of England (only Germany, France and Italy are bigger), Scotland (only Ireland, Lithuania, Latvia, Slovenia, Estonia, Cyprus, Luxembourg and Malta are smaller), Wales (only Latvia, Slovenia, Estonia, Cyprus, Luxembourg and Malta are smaller) and Northern Ireland (only Estonia, Cyprus, Luxembourg and Malta are smaller)?

I would imagine that the French, Germans and Italians would welcome dealing with a diluted English instead of UK voting block.

Dont get me started on this. The Scottish and Welsh assemplies realy frustrate me. Not becouse I am a raving British nationalist but becouse It is just another layer of pointless beauracracy that has to be payed for by the people. At the end of the day who cares who rules you, as long as its democratic, they speak the same language. At the end of the day they all liars and all their policies will be more or less the same.

if the people want local representatives dealing with their particular issues surely that is their right?? isnt that what we call democracy?

I agree that it seems senseless that soon there will be effectively 4 parliaments ,with reps from some still at Westminister,but each nation within the UK is unique and has its own unique problems. Its time to look at the old ideas and accepted thinking and change what needs to be changed.

You need local politicians (with a local electorate keeping their eyes open) running each country and dealing with their own problems.

Perhaps what is needed is for each country to have their own legislature but with a watchfull eye being kept from a central body that is able to step in if and only if something is very wrong.

Hopefully this would prevent the kind of mess that that was allowed to develop with a bunch of religous bigots running N.Ireland from the 20’s to the ’60’s .

Dont get me started on this. The Scottish and Welsh assemplies realy frustrate me. Not becouse I am a raving British nationalist but becouse It is just another layer of pointless beauracracy that has to be payed for by the people. At the end of the day who cares who rules you, as long as its democratic, they speak the same language. At the end of the day they all liars and all their policies will be more or less the same.

Identity crisis what Identity crisis????

the better ‘alf was in Aussie a few years back and the Customs **** insisted that she was British…despite a Republic of Ireland passport being used !!!!

the guy actually thought that Ireland was still part of the UK!!

Anyway guys…come on ye Celts…go for independence..its great crack!! 😀