Interesting article on the restoration of RR232 from “cannibalised parts” (!)
By: Yak 11 Fan - 4th July 2005 at 00:01
My brother in law is a plumber and drives a Ferrari & a Range Rover, I had a go at being involved with old aircraft for a living and drove a 15 year old VW……
By: brewerjerry - 3rd July 2005 at 13:51
[QUOTE=ZRX61]There are just two rules to plumbing…
#1: **** flows downhill
only when the pipe is not blocked…
then it’s spot the plumber , he’s the one covered in it…
cheers
jerry
By: brewerjerry - 3rd July 2005 at 13:49
holidyas
Do they do holidays to your planet?
holidays what are they ?
service tech’s/engineers provide a 24/7 service , 365 days a year.
If your lucky you get one week in three doing 24/7 plus the usual days work between 8 – 6
Somewhere I remember about something called the working time regulations……
By: ZRX61 - 3rd July 2005 at 08:42
Hi
I am not a plumber, but look at the job enjoyment factor…..
When dealing with what most plumber have to do, out of hours calls to unblock sewage drains….
I would want a seriously high hourly rate to do it ……
There are just two rules to plumbing…
#1: **** flows downhill
#2: Pay day is friday
That pretty much covers it.
By: Melvyn Hiscock - 3rd July 2005 at 00:15
or work in a nice workshop/hangar restoring a/c on day hours only and low pay … sheer hell….
any vacancies lads … most would jump at the chance
Cheers
Jerry
Do they do holidays to your planet?
By: brewerjerry - 3rd July 2005 at 00:10
overpaid
Hi
I am not a plumber, but look at the job enjoyment factor…..
When dealing with what most plumber have to do, out of hours calls to unblock sewage drains….
I would want a seriously high hourly rate to do it ……
or work in a nice workshop/hangar restoring a/c on day hours only and low pay … sheer hell….
any vacancies lads … most would jump at the chance
Cheers
Jerry
By: Whitley_Project - 2nd July 2005 at 23:00
Maybe plumbers are overpaid?
We have never valued our engineers (either professional degree/chartered) or the chaps who restore/maintain/build etc. This is why we have good thinkers who come up with innovative stuff like the microchip, jet engine, Harrier etc then bog off to the US later.
Where I work, lots have suggested that electrician and plumber stuff would be better paying than what we do….shame and scandalous…. 🙁
By: Rocketeer - 2nd July 2005 at 22:36
David, it’s always completely amazed me that aircraft restoration attracts such a terribly low hourly rate when compared to car servicing. We should all abandon our qualifications and retrain as plumbers, it’s far more lucrative.
We have never valued our engineers (either professional degree/chartered) or the chaps who restore/maintain/build etc. This is why we have good thinkers who come up with innovative stuff like the microchip, jet engine, Harrier etc then bog off to the US later.
Where I work, lots have suggested that electrician and plumber stuff would be better paying than what we do….shame and scandalous…. 🙁
By: PDS - 2nd July 2005 at 22:13
David, it’s always completely amazed me that aircraft restoration attracts such a terribly low hourly rate when compared to car servicing. We should all abandon our qualifications and retrain as plumbers, it’s far more lucrative.
Perhaps it is because takes considerably longer to restore an airplane than it does to service a car….
If you payed the same rates and took the same time, well… There would be more planes in the air…
By: ZRX61 - 2nd July 2005 at 19:22
David, it’s always completely amazed me that aircraft restoration attracts such a terribly low hourly rate when compared to car servicing. We should all abandon our qualifications and retrain as plumbers, it’s far more lucrative.
I worked with one of 4 brothers…. 2 were plumbers, one was a former TWA Flt Engineer & the other is a pilot who retired from FedEx on a pension of $153K a year.
The 2 plumbers earned more than the other 2…
By: Nermal - 2nd July 2005 at 19:12
As I tried to indicate earlier, another thread goes off topic. – Nermal
By: David Burke - 2nd July 2005 at 18:40
Robbo- a refreshing touch of wit on one of the driest discussions for a while!
By: David Burke - 2nd July 2005 at 15:21
I love the ‘hourly rate’ discussions! What is the hourly rate for a plumber to come out and fix the boiler nowadays?
By: Avro's Finest - 2nd July 2005 at 09:58
£72.25 when I last had mine done last year!
Change your own oil then.
By: Moggy C - 1st July 2005 at 23:02
Haven’t we had three or four Spitfire/Seafire sales in the past few weeks?
Mark
Have we?
Moggy
By: Mark12 - 1st July 2005 at 22:47
£72.25 when I last had mine done last year!
…and £35.00 ph for restoration work is the ‘sensible hourly rate’ I had in mind.
Mark
By: Mark V - 1st July 2005 at 22:44
….err, could I suggest, less than half the hourly rate to change the oil and filter on a VW.
Mark
£72.25 when I last had mine done last year!
By: Mark12 - 1st July 2005 at 22:42
I think the problem is actually that at the moment nobody is.
As has been highlighted elsewhere the number of hours necessary to rebuild a decent warbird divides into (say) a million Sterling to equate to an hourly rate less than you pay Main Dealer Motors to service your Mondeo or whatever.
Moggy
Haven’t we had three or four Spitfire/Seafire sales in the past few weeks?
In fact rarely is the actual amount these aircraft change hands for ‘released’ and this can be for a number of reasons.
….err, could I suggest, less than half the hourly rate to change the oil and filter on a VW.
Mark
By: Mark V - 1st July 2005 at 22:40
I think the problem is actually that at the moment nobody is.Moggy
I can think of two flying Spitfires that have been sold in the last ten months along with a substantially complete project.
By: Moggy C - 1st July 2005 at 22:25
OK – I will re-phrase it :rolleyes: People are paying considerably more than £650,000 for a flying Spitfire.
I think the problem is actually that at the moment nobody is.
As has been highlighted elsewhere the number of hours necessary to rebuild a decent warbird divides into (say) a million Sterling to equate to an hourly rate less than you pay Main Dealer Motors to service your Mondeo or whatever.
Moggy
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