SEA STALLION OR SUPER JOLLY GREEN GIANT (VARIANT?!)

Good questions, still no answers…

So lets get this right…

Your writing a book about an event you don’t want to disclose (you mention 1983) but claim it will be a big event when made public.

Correct.

That features a helicopter (Black with no markings) of a type that you don’t know the name of or the designation for.

Not so fast… I know what type it is. Of the H53 sikorsky class but currently I have never been able to find THIS type of variant helicopter, read the original post if unsure what I am getting at. (i.e. a backdoor and a back ramp)

Research for this book includes asking forum goers to do your research for you by identifying the helicopter from a vague description … not to mention asking for someone to photoshop such a design..

Wrong. I already did the research and I have yet to find out the variant that matches my description. Instead of believing my research is definitive I would like to ask publicly if anyone has come across the class variant I’m looking for maybe there is a prototype picture somewhere, maybe a person that worked on designing this variant class H53 comes here, maybe a FELLOW spec ops soldier could help by hinting something… anything! That is why im posting here.

…. Just out of curiosity had somone on here identified what you were after, would they or the fact the information came from this forum be mentioned in the book or would you sit back and claim to have done all the research yourself?

Actually they have come very close, the H53K class seems large enough but it still lacks a back ramp and backdoor both on the same helicopter, respectively. If you find a picture or get me the proper nomenclature and wish to be included in my book I will honor your request. This blog already to some very minor degree has relevance to the book… the helicopter has yet to be found. So until the helicopter is found the topic for this might as well go like this, “I used internet resources such as a Blog to try to find this mystery helicopter but to no avail the design was never verified.”

I don’t mean for this to come across as an attack on you, I simply find way this thread has evolved curious to say the least.

No offense taken, thanks for your question. Also the photoshop picture is needed to help me find this helicopter because if you didn’t notice by the early posts, and some of the later posts… the choice of helicopters are all wrong. The photoshop is more for a WANTED POSTER: ‘Have you ever seen this helicopter? If so please contact me!’

Don’t bother with searching for a picture as there aren’t any conventional helicopters with a full-length fuselage. Something called physics (center of gravity, momentum of the tail rotor, stuff like that) makes this claim utter rubbish.

If you have some article to back this claim I would be very much interested in looking at it. (Preferably an article taken from something that clearly validates your point and includes the word helicopter in it rather then trying to impress us all with the word physics, gravity, momentum and tail rotor. We need not degrade this into a chinook arguement!)

And let me add the “fourth” landing gear. Why would anyone put a fourth one to an existing design ? doing so would mean a much higher overall weight, that the engines wouldn’t be able to lift anyway.

No offense but how would a fourth wheel hardly prevent the helicopter from being able to lift? (Or is it possible that it was not meant for that purpose?) The fourth wheel might be removable if a lift is needed possibly? The only reason I suspect the fourth wheel is needed is because this helicopter was very long and needs protection for the rear? I don’t know thats why I am here asking if anyone else knows.

And let me add the “fourth” landing gear. Why would anyone put a fourth one to an existing design ? doing so would mean a much higher overall weight, that the engines wouldn’t be able to lift anyway.

Yeah, a little explanation would be nice.

Oh, and

…its fuselage ‘back end’ meets flush with the start of the tail fin that holds the stabilizer blade.

…makes this a wonderful imaginary helicopter. Don’t bother with searching for a picture as there aren’t any conventional helicopters with a full-length fuselage. Something called physics (center of gravity, momentum of the tail rotor, stuff like that) makes this claim utter rubbish.

So lets get this right…

Your writing a book about an event you don’t want to disclose (you mention 1983) but claim it will be a big event when made public.

That features a helicopter (Black with no markings) of a type that you don’t know the name of or the designation for.

Research for this book includes asking forum goers to do your research for you by identifying the helicopter from a vague description … not to mention asking for someone to photoshop such a design.

…. Just out of curiosity had somone on here identified what you were after, would they or the fact the information came from this forum be mentioned in the book or would you sit back and claim to have done all the research yourself?

I don’t mean for this to come across as an attack on you, I simply find way this thread has evolved curious to say the least.

Almost a bullseye… BUT!

REIGNMAN, where did you see this mystery chopper? Was it an actual picture, was it a movie, were there any national insignia?

Logan Hartke

I am currently not at liberty to discuss this but rest assured when I am ready it will be aloud and hard not to notice on any military website. Currently I do not wish to disclose these events at the moment until I have finished researching this topic and some others. Basically… I am writing a book. P.S. If a guy can make a movie about a patent over an intermittent windshield wiper then I have one HELL of a story to tell compared to his. ( http://www.flashofgenius.net/ )

could it be the newer version of the h53. the h53k which is under developement.
it is larger. go to sikorsky site. have you seen this chopper?

Reference:
http://www.sikorsky.com/sik/products/military/ch53/ch53k.asp

Were these things around even as a prototype version in 1983? The size is about correct from sikorsky’s website site but the body is still too short (it doesnt extend to the rear tail fin) and any picture still lacks a rear door. (This variant is KEY!) I almost smell a winner, I just need the right variant… or a picture of it. (Could anyone with photo shop cook up what I’m looking for so I can make a wanted poster?)

Well here is a list of Helicopters its bound to be one of them.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_helicopters But what your saying to me is making me thinking of a russian type its not an MI-26 Halo ? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Mil_Mi-26.jpg

Regrads
James

Distinctly american (H53 class), but it was painted black with no markings whatsoever.

Well here is a list of Helicopters its bound to be one of them.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_helicopters But what your saying to me is making me thinking of a russian type its not an MI-26 Halo ? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Mil_Mi-26.jpg

Regrads
James

REIGNMAN, where did you see this mystery chopper? Was it an actual picture, was it a movie, were there any national insignia?

Logan Hartke

could it be the newer version of the h53. the h53k which is under developement.
it is larger. go to sikorsky site. have you seen this chopper?

not one of the Mil family of helicopters? Mi-8, Mi-14 etc?

Sorry : – (

It isn’t the French Aerospatiale SA-321 Super Frelon?

I am afraid it is not, the body is still too short.

Mate!
It isn’t the French Aerospatiale SA-321 Super Frelon?

Regards
Pioneer

A favor perhaps?

Would anyone attempt to photo shop a helicopter to look like the one I have described. I would be in thier debt!

There is a back opening to this H-53 but I’d have to say it was twice as wide as the opening pictured here with a sliding door that pulls to the rear. It’s missing the fourth center rear wheel, and instead of the triangle gaurd directly in the rear there was an extension protruding outward like a sausage. The length of body was VERY VERY close but because of the angle the photo was taken its still too short and the configuration would be RIGHT on except the bulges on the side were smaller and this helicopter lacks the external fuel tanks. This is a Sea Stallion if I am not mistaken?

This is a MH-53E / S-80-M-1 ‘Sea Dragon’ version of the CH-53E Super Sea Stallion > no external fuel tanks but larger external sponsons containing fuel. For minesweeping ops. it is rigged for towing a mine sweeping “sled” (which might explain the extra stuff at the back that you describe)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UH-60_and_CH-53E.jpg

closer

There is a back opening to this H-53 but I’d have to say it was twice as wide as the opening pictured here with a sliding door that pulls to the rear. It’s missing the fourth center rear wheel, and instead of the triangle gaurd directly in the rear there was an extension protruding outward like a sausage. The length of body was VERY VERY close but because of the angle the photo was taken its still too short and the configuration would be RIGHT on except the bulges on the side were smaller and this helicopter lacks the external fuel tanks. This is a Sea Stallion if I am not mistaken?

One last thing, anyone can answer this:

“Would special operations have the ability to request (or be assigned) a specially made helicopter thats a variant from standard helicopters of its time? Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?”

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please read carefully

No not smaller then a merlin, this thing is HUGE!

It was so large it required a fourth wheel under the tail ramp.

Simply put it’s got to be a Pave Low lll (MH-53) with rear side doors and is longer then regular H-53 bodies because a side door would cut into the hydrolics system.

Hell I bet no one will ever produce a picture of a H-53 that has rear doors and a tail ramp… NO ONE, unless they’ve seen this helicopter at an airshow. I am positive this has to be a variant of the H-53 class military helicopter, but I’m willing to accept anything close to this configuration.

KEY:

Tail ramp, small front end doors by the cockpit and aft side doors.

This has got my curiosity going…

Smaller than a Merlin but just about has the openings and ramps you mention…the NH90 TTH?

Image Source: First Image and Second Image

Perhaps if you have no luck a kindly Mod could shift this into the main section as it’s not really Naval Aviation?

Could it be the S 92 Superhawk that your thinking of?

This picture has a few things wrong in that the engines are not from a Pave Low, the Merlin was closer to engine design since they were external but both pictures lack the weird intake in the front. The S-92 Superhawk doesnt have a snub-ish nose like the H-53, the Superhawk is more egg shaped. Also I am most certain the S-92 was smaller compared to this ‘thing?’ Thank you for trying.

as far as I know it seems a RAF Merlin.

Ayala Botto
Lisbon, Portugal

The image i posted was of an RAF merlin sure, but my question was asking Reignman if the one he was thinking of was a merlin.

as far as I know it seems a RAF Merlin.

Ayala Botto
Lisbon, Portugal