Shoreham Airshow Glider Incident

It seems Chrome-related for me.

Opens in IE no problem.

Moggy

I couldn’t get the AAIB link on their website to open the .pdf file by left clicking it. I right clicked and “saved link as” onto my pc instead. Once downloaded, it opened no problem from my pc. I don’t know why it’s been an issue, but it has happened to several of their report files recently for me.

The AAIB site does seem to have some issues at the moment. Normally it is perfectly straight-forward.

Moggy

I was able to open and read it from the link in the post which takes you to the AIB website and then via another link to the report.
John

Hi Baz, I “saved link as” and opened the pdf file from my pc with no problems…

Makes interesting reading.

If you’re stuck, I can email you a copy if you want?

That would be great Pete I will be home at some stage over xmas …this pc will not cope with it.

rgds baz and merry chrimble to you

Orion

I think that Zebedee is wondering if the images have been “lifted” unbeknown to the copyright holder:eek:

Apologies to ‘Zebedee’.

Anybody read the report ??
I cannot get it to open from the AAIB website
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/july_2011/swift_s_1__g_izii.cfm

Hi Baz, I “saved link as” and opened the pdf file from my pc with no problems…

Makes interesting reading.

If you’re stuck, I can email you a copy if you want?

Orion

I think that Zebedee is wondering if the images have been “lifted” unbeknown to the copyright holder:eek:

A small question… have you sold the rights to these images…?

The only reason I ask is that im in Switzerland at the moment, this afternoon I picked up a newspaper on the train into Zurich and your pictures are on page 11…

Zeb

Why shouldn’t he? These are superb photos and I can see no reason why he shouldn’t use them professionally.

Regards

Anybody read the report ??
I cannot get it to open from the AAIB website

http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/july_2011/swift_s_1__g_izii.cfm

I doubt if rotor off the trees was one the primary causes of this accident !
I have refrained from comment so far but only because from the video clip -(1) I cannot see if the runway(s) were obstructed.
I also cannot see if he had (2) a flying control or (3) airbrake control problem.
If none of those 3 problems existed then one might conclude that pulling off tow at low level would leave very few options,there was a fairly strong wind blowing so an immediate 360 degree turn to land into wind might be favourite.
The pilot flew downwind with airbrakes open (attemped downwind landing ?or attempted return to threshold?).
He had insufficient height for the final 180 deg turn to land (and the airbrakes were still open !)
Not really conjecture – it is all on the video …but a/c accidents are sometimes a combination of circumstances which is why I started my post with 3 possible mitigating scenarios.

rgds baz

I agree with your comments about a combination of factors. I still suspect rotor and an over-ruddered flat turn due to an aborted downwind landing attempt led to him spinning in.

I’ve also experienced rotor from trees in a glider. After a lowish and well banked final turn, the glider was very reluctant to come out of the turn and only a bootful of opposite rudder brought it level again. Luck was with me that day however, and the only outcome was some well chosen words of advice from the CFI. I could just as easily have spun in too.

Having read your remark about the possibility of rotor off the trees I have to agree that it is quite likely to have been a factor.
Even guardian angels have lapses of concentration apparently.
Having thought about this incident some more I agree I was wrong to suggest that we should refrain from conjecture until the report is published. In fact I feel that the facts of this case wold make a good ‘I learned about flying from that’ type article.

Sorry to be off topic here but sommeone has just copied my words from an earlier post. Now I can understand it if there was intention to commet on my post but if it was the fact that someone was looking for something to say I’d much prefer their own thoughts not reiterating mine.
Rant over back on topic. Unless you have experience the rotor effect on a glider you do noty appreciate the effect they can have. I have seen a glider pushed down into the field before the gliding site by unexpected rotor across the end of the runway. Never having experience the situation in a powered aircraft I don’t know if it would be as bad. I don’t remember who said it but I once heard of the Swiss cheese effect. If all the holes line up you have an accident if they don’t you get away with it-this time. Looks as though they all line up in this case.

I doubt if rotor off the trees was one the primary causes of this accident !
I have refrained from comment so far but only because from the video clip -(1) I cannot see if the runway(s) were obstructed.
I also cannot see if he had (2) a flying control or (3) airbrake control problem.
If none of those 3 problems existed then one might conclude that pulling off tow at low level would leave very few options,there was a fairly strong wind blowing so an immediate 360 degree turn to land into wind might be favourite.
The pilot flew downwind with airbrakes open (attemped downwind landing ?or attempted return to threshold?).
He had insufficient height for the final 180 deg turn to land (and the airbrakes were still open !)
Not really conjecture – it is all on the video …but a/c accidents are sometimes a combination of circumstances which is why I started my post with 3 possible mitigating scenarios.

rgds baz

Possibly, but if so his guardian angel, quite literally, gave him one hell of a boot up the backside.

Having read your remark about the possibility of rotor off the trees I have to agree that it is quite likely to have been a factor.
Even guardian angels have lapses of concentration apparently.
Having thought about this incident some more I agree I was wrong to suggest that we should refrain from conjecture until the report is published. In fact I feel that the facts of this case wold make a good ‘I learned about flying from that’ type article.

Also in yesterday’s West Australian. Quite a surprise to see them a while after the event.

World wide coverage I see! I did offer them on the day to the Daily Mail and they didn’t use them! I wanted to be sure that Mike, the pilot was going to be OK before offering them to an agency.

Also in yesterday’s West Australian. Quite a surprise to see them a while after the event.

Good shots mate! You can see the expression on the poor bloke’s face.

What camera, settings etc did you use?

SONY A900 and SONY 70-400 SSM G Lens, ISO 400. The first in the crash sequence were taken at 160mm, 1/320 @ f10 or f11 – The last few after the accident were at 400mm, all shutter priority. 1/320 was in use to get the prop blur of the Pawnee tug.

The advantage of the A900 is the image size – 6048 x 4032, so there was lots of option to crop; I used a shorter focal length to ensure shots were sharp. When things are happening fast there is not much time to be concerned about zooming, knowing it can be cropped is very comforting.

What camera, settings etc did you use?

I was wondering the same as several papers in the UK published them today.
I hope all published them with your consent.

As far as I know the following papers have published the shots:

The Times, Telegraph, Mail, Mirror, Express, Sun, Evening Standard, Metro, The Scotsman and the New York Post. Also been shown on ITV London News and Meridian TV; BBC Breakfast also made quite a fuss. Not sure of Swiss papers, I may need to look into that! My local paper also featured them.