October 7, 2006 at 9:20 pm
What was the reasoning behind withdrawing these from RAF service?
Would the RAF have been better off keeping them and reducing the Hercules buy by 10 or even buying all 30? and reducing the Hercules buy even further?
By: jfred - 5th August 2010 at 16:03
jfred
Thanks Blue2. Buttons 1 to 3 work, as follows: 1=W, 2=Coms/AP. 3=GPS.
4-9 nothing. I have attempted to add a line of code in the Panel file to give me the Map view but no joy. Will have to make do with the GPS.
I can’t understand why yours works and mine does not when it the same piece of software.
By: Blue_2 - 28th July 2010 at 22:07
Curious, I’ve that download, sure it has buttons…
I don’t know if you know this but if in normal cockpit view you hit shift+number from 1 to 9 that brings up the GPS, radio, auxiliary panels etc. too on aircraft that have them.
By: jfred - 28th July 2010 at 15:49
Short Belfast
Many thanks Blue 2 for your reply.
Your web ref calls up Alphasim downloads. The Belfast on this site is the same as the Belfast on the PC Pilot disc, still no buttons.
I tried the Wellington from Alphasim as a comparison and that was also void of the buttons.
Not sure where to go from here.
I also noticed on the Belfast that when it came up on the screen it was already rolling at taxi speed which I have never come across before with other aircraft.
However, thanks again.for your suggestion.
Regards.
By: Blue_2 - 27th July 2010 at 08:27
Try this freeware Belfast, don’t know if it’s the same one but all the buttons and things work on my machine
By: pagen01 - 3rd October 2007 at 21:32
MoA invented an application for BLEU/Bedford’s leader-cable, so it took Smith’s triplex system, that was never to be used in actual clag. While it was in work Blue Streak/Thor/Jupiter all died, but it continued as make-work. We owned Short’s, empty after Britannia 253 and expulsion from EE’s (bid for TSR.2). MoA gave them RAF VC10 fuselage fabrication despite Geo.Edwards offering to pay the Ulster workforce to sit while BAC made them, net cheaper. RAF declined a derivative, PD53, with RB178(to be RB211) on C-141 wings. The cube was otiose: it could lift any 2 of fuel/crew/cargo, or 1 ex-Cyprus over the Turkish Alps.
Much cheaper to rent than own, where the need is erratic – RN calls this STUFT.
Come again (in laymans terms)?! Good job I know abit about Belfasts!
By: Old Fart - 3rd October 2007 at 21:23
There is news but…
Because of commercial confidentiality agreements cant say just yet what is happening expect news to leak out sooner rather than later though.
By: PMN1 - 3rd October 2007 at 19:40
Was a turbofan powered version ever considered before Shorts came up with the SC.5/45 proposal – Belfast fuselage (more or less) with C-141 wings?

By: jaybeebee - 3rd October 2007 at 19:16
Is there any news on the Southend Belfast???
By: PMN1 - 3rd October 2007 at 17:45
Does anyone know what the operating costs of a Short Belfast were compared to a Hercules?
How much extra would it cost operating a mixed fleet of large transport aircraft if the Hercules buy had been 10-15 less and the 10 Belfasts kept in service alongside the Hercules.
By: Old Fart - 18th January 2007 at 23:22
I would guess the reason the Belfast was not moved was because its ownd by an off field operator so they would probablt wany thier own people moving it or be on site when its being moved, and anyway like you said its a big old lump so was probablt turned early on in the day.
An Md80 & Bae 146 had a comming together as well.
By: Jamie-Southend - 18th January 2007 at 20:00
I surpose it was parked side on to the SW winds today, i noticed that this afternoon many of the larger A/c were turned by a tug into the wind, guess they forgot about the Belfast over the otherside.
Great shame, i wonder how this will effect any further work? 🙁
By: Old Fart - 18th January 2007 at 19:48
It is sad to report that the Shorts Belfast G-BEPS currently under going restoration at Southend has been damaged by the storms currently raging arround us.
The aircraft has been turned 90 degrees and suffred extensive damage to its rear loading ramp.
By: alertken - 17th January 2007 at 22:24
I live near the Brazilian Naval Commission in Europe. Through the windows you can see some of the 100+ bodies. WIH do they all do?
By: Creaking Door - 17th January 2007 at 01:23
Didn’t Brazil purchase Westland Lynx helicopters plus Stingray / Tigerfish torpedoes also?
WA$.
By: David Burke - 16th January 2007 at 19:37
The contract going to Embraer /Shorts had more to do with the possibility of flights routing to the Falklands via Brazil. The landing of the Vulcan in Brazil was an emergency landing. More substancial aid went to Chile for services rendered during the Falklands War.
By: fatnav - 16th January 2007 at 19:11
As someone who had the trial of having been carried from Tengah (Singapore) back to Brize with just the refuelling stops (and change of flight crew) I was heartily glad that the Belfast was retired and that I was not likely to have to experience it again. It was not only slow, but had an amazingly complex undercarriage retraction system that was often going wrong.
There was also the famous story of a Belfast crew missing their half hourly radio check whilst on a long overwater stage who when checked on replied ‘All okay, steaming slowly south easterly, no sign of scurvy on board.’
By: bri - 16th January 2007 at 14:09
Manston
I saw Belfasts a number of times at Manston in Kent, operated by ‘Heavylift’. They seemed to find them very useful!
By the way, if you need to see monster Antanovs, Manston is the place to go. See also the Spitfire Museum and, nearby, Quex House – a Victorian explorer’s house that’s worth a visit.
Bri:D
By: Roobarb - 15th January 2007 at 16:12
Also maybe why the Shorts Tucano won over the NDN Firecracker and Pilatus PC-9 ?? 😮
Think that was more to do with Brazil being nice and accomodating for Vulcan’s with hung-up armed Shrike missiles and letting the SAS and SBS lounge around their swimming pools cultivating “theatre” suntans during the Falklands 😀
Oh and the Belfast couldn’t get off the ground fully loaded if it was anywhere hot (not normally a problem in Belfast!).
By: Flanker_man - 15th January 2007 at 15:29
If Shorts was not a government owned company, would it have still got the preferential treatment?
I think the fact that they were in Belfast (Northern Ireland) had a lot to do with it!!:diablo:
Ken
Also maybe why the Shorts Tucano won over the NDN Firecracker and Pilatus PC-9 ?? 😮
By: PMN1 - 15th January 2007 at 14:21
If Shorts was not a government owned company, would it have still got the preferential treatment?