Short Sunderland With Stirling canopy?

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£100 is a bargain, considering they cost about £300 in total to buy. It took me ages. It came out weekly and I seem to remember the series stopped unexpectedly half way through.:mad:

Mine are in the loft, probably will end up in the bin one day.

r u joking, you just said they are worth £300 and your talking about binning yourshttp://forum.keypublishing.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

nobody’s having mine – I didn’t spend years collecting just to make a few quid. I had to deliver a hell of a lot of papers to buy everything, and pay for all my airshows, and trips to national museums… http://forum.keypublishing.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ATTACH]201907[/ATTACH] Sorry,Must have mis-read the Stirling using Sunderland wings,that is quite a common misconception though,together with having `stubby` wings to fit the Hangars

No, I did actually state that the Stirling wing was based on the Sunderland wing, but I guess that’s not true; I remember reading it somewhere… I am aware that originally Gouge wanted the Stirling span to be as great as that of the Sunderland (over 112 ft).

My understanding of the Stirling wing being short because of RAF hangars was that it is a fallacy: “…in truth the 100 ft limit was to prevent the aircraft from becoming too large while the key problem with the Stirling was its ever increasing wieght.”

The Sunderland and the Empire boats also had the same basic design for the wing – just built in very different ways.

The Shetland is an ugly big lump but some of those photos in Life were taken by Charles Brown. Great photographer – he even managed to make a Shetland look graceful.

Anyway, to compare the size of the Shetland and Sunderland, here is a Short Bros. sketch of how they would fit into one of their buildings.

AllanK

[ATTACH]201907[/ATTACH] Sorry,Must have mis-read the Stirling using Sunderland wings,that is quite a common misconception though,together with having `stubby` wings to fit the Hangars

I don’t think anyone is saying the two had common components. The Shetland and the ‘Super Stirling’ would have had wings in common had the latter been built.

Victim of a double post; thanks JDK.

A little info on the S.36 Super Stirling, or Stirling III as the designers named it, from British Secret Projects Fighters and Bombers 1935 – 1950 by Tony Butttttler:

“The key element was the intorduction of Centaurus CE.3.SM radials instead of the Hercules. The S.36 had redesigned wings and a longer fuselage which featured a large central bomb bay for various loads, including one 8,000 lb weapon…” “It was not seen as an all-new type, but shared a general similarity to the Stirling.” “On 19 November Secification B.8/41 was raised to cover the project, but from the point of view of heavy bomber production, some within the ministry were apprehensive about introducing the new type.” “On 11 May [1942] Harris wrote that the B.8/41 was expected ‘to eradicate the weakness of the present Stirling and with much bigger span wings should be a better aircraft.”

Barnes in Shorts Putnam:

“this was virtually the land plane counterpart of the contemporary Shetland flying boat, 17 percent larger than the Stirling, with four Bristol Centaurus engines and a tapered but unswept wing, having the same sheet-web construction as the Shetland’s…”

Nope,sorry The Stirling shared nothing with the Shetland apart from a few pilots controls and seats…wings completly different to Sunderland too…………

Think you’ve misread nuuumannn’s post. He was talking about parallel developments of an unbuilt improved Stirling and sort of super Sunderland, built as the Shetland.

In between, there was of course the Short Seaford, originally the Sunderland IV, a sort of ‘super Sunderland’ itself, but the simpler Sunderland V development made it (and, essentially, the Shetland) redundant.

Regards,

Nope,sorry The Stirling shared nothing with the Shetland apart from a few pilots controls and seats…wings completly different to Sunderland too…………

It could look quite dramatic
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but uglier than the Sunderland
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The Shetland was designed at the same time as the S.36 ‘Super Stirling’ to B.8/41 and both were to have the same basic wing design. Shorts Aircraft since 1900 (Putnam) says this about the Shetland’s canopy: “the two pilots sat side-by-side in a fully glazed canopy similar to the Stirling’s, giving a good view all round…”

Apparently when the Shetland was unveiled in 1944 it was the biggest British aircraft built to that time.

Excellent, first time that I’ve seen footage of the Shetland, thanks:)

Short Video, pictures and information here – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy86aHpOdkg

It isn’t that apparent in the picture but the Shetland was somewhat larger than the Sunderland,

Span 150’4” v 112’9”
Length 110′ v 85’4”
Loaded Weight 120,000Ib v 58,000Ib

One case of a Short flying boat testing a Short land bomber item, was the Short Seaford that had the fin and rudder of the Sperrin jet bomber fitted.

Off topic a bit … but 🙂 Mine stopped half way through too. They were alright at the time but I would not want them now. I see them on carboots now and again for about a tenner, I`l pick you one up 😀

Ben

£100 is a bargain, considering they cost about £300 in total to buy. It took me ages. It came out weekly and I seem to remember the series stopped unexpectedly half way through.:mad:

Mine are in the loft, probably will end up in the bin one day.

It’s the Short S.35 Shetland I, DX166, of 1944. Stirling canopy unrelated but similar looking maybe.
There was also the civilian S.40 Shetland II, G-AGVD.

The Sunderland did supply the Stirling with its main wings, though.

I had that set too.
I saw somebody trying to sell them for £100 the other day 😀

It’s a Shetland. When I was young I collected “war birds info cards” and this is the very picture that was used to illustrate the type. I think two were built.