Silent Vally Reservoir Spitfire

That told Daz. I guess the higher you jump, the deeper you dive 😀

Sorry wandering off topic again. Best wishes for your future explorations and look forward to the reports.

At least from the photo you can tell i’m blonde.

Ali

Ali – the situation with the project you refer to is that there were volunteers willing to do work . The management of the museum had more than a little influence in making the restoration not happen. A very sad state of affairs and something which the Canadians seem more than capable of making up for.

Salvage of wrecked or ditched aircraft is one thing, and a costly process in itself.
But preservation,restoration, or conservation should all be considered fully before anything is done.
Certainly I think some groups or organisations have been more focused on getting an item rather than how it might be looked after once they have it.
So I’d agree that certain stuff should be left where it is.

At the end of the day alot of the issues come down to funding, and most Museums are short of that at the best of times

I couldn’t agree more but if something of historical significance is recovered then surely the voluteers will come out of the wood work.

Ali

Salvage of wrecked or ditched aircraft is one thing, and a costly process in itself.
But preservation,restoration, or conservation should all be considered fully before anything is done.
Certainly I think some groups or organisations have been more focused on getting an item rather than how it might be looked after once they have it.
So I’d agree that certain stuff should be left where it is.

At the end of the day alot of the issues come down to funding, and most Museums are short of that at the best of times

pleased to read that you have already realised how important it is to have the destination arranged before the recovery. And also that the museum understands conservation. I recall that several ex Sunderland engines recovered from Plymouth Sound were on display at Blagdon Pines…Torbay air museum, they gradually corroded away.

The largest marine recovery on display in the UK is the Halifax at Hendon. Several of the recovery team who dived in awful conditions in Norway to effect this salvage were very saddened by the lack of restoration while at Henlow. In fact they were also very very angry with the transportation team who hacked the airframe into sections when they got it up intact.Several airframe techs on the dive team offered to help correctly dismantle the airframe and were told to mind their own business.

I would rather leave it where it was if there wasn’t a home for it to go to where it will be preserved and conserved.

Don’t really want to think about that Halifax as it just makes me feel angry that it’s just lying there in a real state.

Ali

Have been busy i’m afraid Allison… Can’t you use some of Tim’s toys?

That’s where the sub bottom profiler comes in. Have you seen some of the results that he’s got from it?

Ali

Have been busy i’m afraid Allison… Can’t you use some of Tim’s toys?

Hiya

There have been a lot of dives when nothing at all was found. There’s a guy who makes the MX500 magnetometer who told me about a perfectly intact He111 just off Ipswitch and was trying to get me the position so I can have a look. Have you managed to use your sonar unit much? Managed to get myself a second hand tow fish which is working quite nicely. Had a bit of a problem trimming it but now it’s flying quite nicely.

Ali

pleased to read that you have already realised how important it is to have the destination arranged before the recovery. And also that the museum understands conservation. I recall that several ex Sunderland engines recovered from Plymouth Sound were on display at Blagdon Pines…Torbay air museum, they gradually corroded away.

The largest marine recovery on display in the UK is the Halifax at Hendon. Several of the recovery team who dived in awful conditions in Norway to effect this salvage were very saddened by the lack of restoration while at Henlow. In fact they were also very very angry with the transportation team who hacked the airframe into sections when they got it up intact.Several airframe techs on the dive team offered to help correctly dismantle the airframe and were told to mind their own business.

That told Daz. I guess the higher you jump, the deeper you dive 😀

Sorry wandering off topic again. Best wishes for your future explorations and look forward to the reports.

The problem with any searches is the people who get involved. A friend of mine does a lot of searches and has found quite a lot and I have seen a lot of the video that he has taken but the problem is people trying to get the information from him and then going off and doing the recovery themselves. I have a soft spot for the North East Aircraft Museum and would love for them to get something from WWII but the worry is someone with more contacts in the RAF etc etc etc will swoop me and take the project off me.

Ali

Get your coat, love…! :diablo:

The parachute works better if you don’t wear a coat over it. hehehe

Ali

Allison

It usually works the other way round! Hope you enjoy your new found freedom to look for aircraft and dive at the same time… 😉

Hiya

There have been a lot of dives when nothing at all was found. There’s a guy who makes the MX500 magnetometer who told me about a perfectly intact He111 just off Ipswitch and was trying to get me the position so I can have a look. Have you managed to use your sonar unit much? Managed to get myself a second hand tow fish which is working quite nicely. Had a bit of a problem trimming it but now it’s flying quite nicely.

Ali

I’m the one in the tight shiny black suit with the tight straps around my body. :diablo:

Ali (grin)

Get your coat, love…! :diablo:

I’m the one in the tight shiny black suit with the tight straps around my body. :diablo:

Ali (grin)

That told Daz. I guess the higher you jump, the deeper you dive 😀

Sorry wandering off topic again. Best wishes for your future explorations and look forward to the reports.

Good prog on history + 1hour at the mo about the German grand fleet scuttling in Scapa….did they really shoot at the german sailors as they abandoned ship?

Yes they did. They tried to force the crews back on board.

Ali

We need a photo…. :diablo:

I’m the one in the tight shiny black suit with the tight straps around my body. :diablo:

Ali (grin)

Ali – David and I could suggest a Flypast Lonely Hearts Column – think you’d be snapped up! 🙂

A girl…..that likes aeroplanes……cripes!

TT

Taken the pledge. You can get so much done when on your own but anyway we are getting off topic.

Ali 😉

Dang, and here I am, stuck in the western US… male, single, really into aircraft (having done my 8 years in the USMC fixing the avionics on the darned things), and a certified diver as well!!! 😀

I would not only help carry your gear, I would be “down below” with you!!!

😉

Thanks but I have a regular buddy. I have done nearly all my diving the them including the technical training and it’s nice to have someone you know with you in limited vis.

Ali

Ali, sounds one hell of a girl, probably something like Kathy Gayle from the Avengers!

I don’t think any of us are going to be able to keep up.

Steve

Don’t do any leather cat suits but I still maintain that there are stories of aircraft ditched in fresh water and there is evidence that some are true, take the Loch Doon Sptifire for example. You can’t tell me he was the only you 19 year old boy racer, in the front of something quick, and he accidentally put it on the deck and opened the throttles. I heard a story that they would put the things on the deck and fly at zero feet over this nice warm ground and then suddenly hit a cold body of water. Ooops said the lift under the wings and the pilot found himself either dead or up to his nipples in cold water and getting out quick. If that’s what happend then the aircraft is likely to still be there. If I can find an accident report that clearly says it went into that Loch then it’s worth having a quick look.

Ali
🙂

Ali, sounds one hell of a girl, probably something like Kathy Gayle from the Avengers!

I don’t think any of us are going to be able to keep up.

Steve

No chance,,,,,more of a Purdy or an Emma Peel!!!

Good prog on history + 1hour at the mo about the German grand fleet scuttling in Scapa….did they really shoot at the german sailors as they abandoned ship?

We need a photo…. :diablo: