Singaporean Jumbo crashes in Taiwan

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Why didn’t anyone tell the stupid pilot he got the wrong runway, yuo would think he would be able to see all the Construction work on it, or would you?

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It crassed into a machine and the machine was repairing the run-way so it was the captains folt.

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the pilot had something like 11000 hours in command

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A.Spencer what is the url?

Any info on the captain of SIA B-747 how many hours he had on 747 and TFH??

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I quote this from A.Spencer in another aviation related message board,as I believe that he has summed it up well.
“If a runway is closed then it should be blocked off and in darkness, it doesnt matter if the lights are different colours or the runway markers are lit up, on a dark stormy night were the visability was about 100 metres and you are 3 storeys above the ground, it is very easy to mistake them.”
a Mandarin airlines 737-800 took out some of the runway lights earlier when it skidded, this short circuited the lights & led the pilots to believe he was on the right runway because he saw that the lights on 5L were on so he lined up for take off. find a map of Taipei airport & you’ll see how easily it would be to taxi on the wrong runway, remembering that your perception of distance changes in poor visibility & driving rain. the ATC should have picked up on this runway lights incident sooner, but unfortunately it is one of those freak air accidents that happen from time to time where no one person can be blamed because it was a combination of people/things that caused the accident.

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Well!!!! as i have heard the runway the aircrfat took on was not actually a RUNWAY, it was getting rebuilt and the captian still took off from that runway. And as for the pilot, I have heard he is in Jail these days. Singapore is a very strict country and if they even have put the pilot behind bars, it’s no big deal.

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Well guys, OK, I accept that I have talked too soom. I thought the crashed was due to taking off in a middle of a huricane and that it was a complete irresponsability, but taken into account that the reason may be other, I withdraw my words.

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Not very bright future for the captain.

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Here, here!!!! What many airline managers forget is that their safety record is only as good as the next flight that leaves the ground!

For sheer arrogance, tho’ it’s hard to beat dear old QANTAS.As you will recall, last September at Bangkok, QF came within a whisker of achieving a similar result, as SQ last week, with a 747-400. Luckily no one was even mildly injured, and the plane simply turned into the world’s largest golf cart. In pilot circles, the tee-off on the fairway QF wound up on, is now known as the QANTAS Approach! Anyway … the plane was technically a write-off, but the CEO refused to let it be so, as QF was not going to have its first hull loss on his stint! No, sir!! In the press, the idiot even refused to call the whole episode an “accident” … just an “incident”. The press – both popular & technical – were given the run-around, as were the passengers on the flight itself. A total shambles.

The apparent causes were many, including (aside from shitty weather just like last week in TPE…) lack of communication between the tech crew (approach too high & fast), and the following of Company Procedures designed simply to save money (on fuel & maintainance) such as minimum-flaps & no thrust reverse – on a runway awash with rain and the wind howling from all directions at once! Thanks a lot guys!!

Anyhow… in some respects BKK was the best thing that happened to QF, as it woke a lot of people in QF up. It was just a miracle that in this case, no lives were lost in order to learn that lesson.

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I think it’s such a coincidence that both Swissair and Singapore Airlines have had large, fatal crashes in the past 2 years.

These airlines put too much of an empasis on service and have obviously become complacent as a result. They think they are the best airlines in the world, but if SIA’s pilot took off from the wrong runway it doesent say much about their training, and Swissair, thier MD-11’s were stil flying after the crash, despite the fact it was caused by faulty wiring. They really have no idea.

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I come back to what I said earlier! I believe that in very bad visibility – at night as well – it might be very easy to miss the entry to the left runway altogether, keep taxiing and then turn on to what you THINK is the correct runway. This assumes tho’ that there is a continuos taxiway form the entrance of one r/way to the next like there is at Bangkok.Does anyone have any knowledge of the layout of TPE?

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So what did it hit? I heard it was construction equipment. I think the pilot couldn’t have known where he was going.
Regards

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apparently some of the lights on 05L were damaged in an incident earlier in the day. The extent of the damage has not, however been confirmed.

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what? not lit up and at night no pilot in the world would enter an unlit runway at night if the crash had happened in the day then i’d believe but at night noway!!!!

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latest reports say SQ accept that the A/C, 9V-SPK, was on the wrong runway. Clearance was granted for 05L, but apparently the plane was on 05R. This runway was closed, and not lit, while 05L was lit. It seems very strange to me that an experienced pilot, as to all extents the Malay Captain is, should make such a catastrophic mistake.

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SQ are very good and I agree with everyone elses views. So, does anyone know the definate cause? because the news seem to hav dropped it all of a sudden. The weather, I think was a major player. I can’t understand why so many flights were cancelled and yet they let the 747 go. WAs that SIA’s decision or ATC at Taiwan? What happened with the Gulf Air A.320 crash?
Regards

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I know this crash was fatal but i think ur loosing up confidence on SQ TOOO SOON. 28 years one crash, not bad at all I think. U actually cant have a perfect airline. SQ is one of the best airlines of the world and U just CANT loose faith on them so fast. I mean, crashes keep happining and who is not afraid of them.

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Let’s make a couple of things clear here:
1/ A crash is very rarely the result of just one single cause.
2/ Any speculation therefore on why this accident happened is useless.
3/ We are all basing our “knowledge” on what we heard in the tv news and / or read in the paper.
4/ See 2.
Just as an example. The Belgian tv news said the airplane had hit a loose wheel(!) on the runway…
Let’s just wait and see what the investigation brings.
Is Singapore Airlines now a dangerous airline? Depends on how you look at the statistics…

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lost your confidence??? 82 fatallities in 28 years and you have lost you confidence in them how will you ever get around?
almost every airline in the world has crashed so how will you get around i too feel sorry for the passengers but i will never stop flying with them because they are still the best airline in the world.

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Sorry…When you say you’ve now lost your confidence in SQ, I think you are being a bit quick to judge the airline. It is way too early to tell what factors – and there are always many, never just one – were important in the crash. SQ’s operating standards may or may not turn out to be important here. We’ll know fairly soon, I suspect.