SLCMs for the Sierra II and Akula?

The Kh-31A may be constrained by the Kh-31P’s design. That being said, fire one at a patrol boat and see what happens 😀

well that wont hurt it too much??

what’s the point of stuff like the Kh-31A then.. with a 90Kg warhead..

The Kh-65SE carries a 410KG warhead..

I’m talking about Granat, not Granit and even then, Granit only carries 750kg. Granat has about 200kg I think… and with that warhead it wouldn’t really hurt a carrier or other vessel too much.

uhh.. lightly armed severo? 😛

1000KG isn’t lightly armed 😛

And why exactly would they do that? If you want to put 20 Granit silos in a sub, you inevitable end up with an Oscar sized beast! The Akula is quite “full” at the moment, your shifts would inevitably increase the size of the submarine. Shifting back the torpedo tubes would also mean a huge decrease of the amount of torpedo tubes. From 14 to 4… A submarine like the Oscars is what they don’t need at the moment. The Akula’s can be much more deadly than the Oscar against a CVBG, since torpedoes are much more deadly than missiles and much harder to counter. It is also much more silent than the Oscar, hence can get closer. The SLCMs where we are talking about at this moment is the Granat, a land-attack missile. For anti-ship purposes, it would be too slow and too lightly armed.

What i think they need, is to modify the Akulas, aka the Bars ….. or say a new sub, with the bow for sonars, torpedo tubes section shifted back and with 12-20 Silos for SLCM like the Granit. Its coz I wud like to see the fatty Oscars being said goodbye and built on the rather more capable Bars class a CBG destroyer, a job which is entrusted on the OSCARs.

And I say 12-16 VLS for Granits wud be a good one with the torpeo tubes freed for the stallions.

Is there anyt news abt them being upgraded or new modifeied version of the torpedo.

of course I don’t remember it since I never saw it. I don’t come out of the Navy sections. I do have a model 1/144 of the cruisemissile… (sublaunched version). And I ‘m indeed no airman, when you hit a plane with a missile, 99% will go down. If you hit a ship with a missile… It’ll stay afloat and at least give part of the crew chance to escape. Plane’s are for sissies, if they run out of fuel, they go down, for a ship, that’s a different story. 😉 OK, now I’ll stay quiet and look for all the flaming that’s going to come from the AF guys 😀

Remember the post Severodvinsk? Wait LOL, ur not much of an air man r u?

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=35353

bubulle i think you may have some things confused…something looks off but i dont know what..

Kh…

KH-101 is the conventional version and KH-102 the nuclear one. I’ve read somewhere that the KH-555 (AS-15C) with a 3000 km range has just entered service with RUAF. Basically it’s the same missile as the-B version but with a conventional warhead, small winglets in the nose section and larger fuel tanks. Two versions of the KH-101/102 were considered. A turboprop version would have had a 5000 km range but it was dropped in favor of a turbofan version with a 3000 km range.

Russia doesn’t need such weapons at the moment. If they indeed succeed quite cheaply in adapting any of the new cruise missiles you mention for Submarine use, then they should do it. But otherwise, if they really have to invest too much money, I don’t think it’s worth the effort. I’d first like to see these submarines sailing instead of arming them with cruisemissiles to lay in port.
Is the AF indeed getting those new missiles now? It’s been mentioned for some years now, but haven’t seen any of that…

So the Kh-555 still suffers from crappy accuracy?

Cause the Kh-101 is suppose to be deadly (20M CEP, 3000KM range, 1000Kg warhead?)

Kh-555s are Kh-55s upgraded with conventional warheads. Since the SS-N-21 and the Kh-55 are relatively similar, they could also probably be modified relatively easily.