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Small paper (Cigarette box ?) from Halifax crash site

Hi all,

found this smal paper after recovering of three Merlin XX engine from Halifax crash site near Kiel, Germany. It looks like as a piece from a british cigarette box (or a piece of a map ? Greenland?)

Maybe someone can confirm this and can show a photo of a original box ?

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Nils

PS. A report of this recovering will be published next time

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By: Cees Broere - 16th January 2009 at 16:56

Hi Nils,

So they are going as far as to change the law. If you could make
some good contacts with official recovery teams perhaps you can
work out some kine of co-operation. We have a similar set-up in
The Netherlands and it works really well.

I cannot help you with Merlin schematics but MerlinPeter perhaps
can, but i can help you with all thins Halifax (the nuts and bolts
side that is).

Grüss

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By: Pathfinder - 16th January 2009 at 15:20

Hi Cees,

yes, that´s from the site I have found two years ago the human remain.

It´s a difficult theme, because the authorities in other states handle it different. He in the state “Schleswig-Holstein” the archaeological evidence ( here I´m the specialist for the aviation archaeology) is the only authority who recovered and search for wracks or parts of wracks. No other civil person or organisation have a permission to do that.In the next month we have a new law. People who dig or search for relicts of the WWII and would be to catch, are then previously convicted. This is then a statutory offense…

The bomb disposal team recovered three engines and they told me, the engines looks very well 🙂 Sadly we have during the recover no permission to visit this work, because they found a lot of bombs with different weight.

I´m waiting of a call from bomb disposal team to optain a overview about the condition of the engines…

If I have photos, I publish a report on my website and blog and will let you know then.

Same important is to receive a manual / part catalog for the Merlin XX engine for the dokumentation. I hope someone can help with this manual in digital form, before I must pay a lot of money for this…

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By: Cees Broere - 16th January 2009 at 10:12

Hi Nils,

Very interesting project you have on your hands. Is that the site where human remains were found as well?

How do you handle this in Germany?

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By: GrahamSimons - 16th January 2009 at 08:39

The ‘0’ seems to match in with what would be the 4 degree 50 minute line, but that’s a odd graduation to use on a map. I’m not sure. Anyone got any other ideas?

I’ve doubled checked – it’s likely to be ’50’ – some maps show every 10 minutes of arc. The ’40’ would be off the fragment on the right.

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By: Pathfinder - 16th January 2009 at 08:28

You are great 🙂
It´s Greenock in Scotland ! The roads, railway and the little lake are correct !
Thanks for th great help !

What means the “O”, left on the longitude line, could it be the sign for degrees ?

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By: GrahamSimons - 15th January 2009 at 21:42

The near vertical thin line is almost certainly a longitude line. The thick red line appears to be a road, and the thin horizontal blue lines is how maps were shaded to denote water. The bluey-grey line that is struck through with a short same colour line could well be a railway line (that’s a regular way of showing them) and the thinner, curving almost brown lines could well be contour or ‘height’ lines.

On a long shot, I googled Greenock in Scotland…

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&hl=en&q=greenock+map&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

the coastline and features appear to match!

I think it shows the coast from Greenock around to Gourock, with the A770 and A78, with the railway lines you can just make out on the google map!

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By: Pathfinder - 15th January 2009 at 21:34

Now I´m sure it´s a navigation map, you guys are right !
I have here a old german map of the UK and Ireland and just looking about the “O” (on the middle of the peace and the meridian), so it could be O° or 10°. Or it´s the sign for degree (°)… ?

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By: John Aeroclub - 15th January 2009 at 20:59

Could it be Greenwich? Map certainly.
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By: GrahamSimons - 15th January 2009 at 19:53

Looks more like a part of a map to me

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