Smoking

SNAFU. I AM NOT…

Too loud!!!

As for SMOG in C.A. I have a very good highly respected friend in San Diego, who is a highly respected Surgeon, we “Speak” to each other most days, and I have never heard him speak of SMOG, indeed in CA, they have very clean air, perchance you may be thinking of L.A.?. further North.I have been to C.A. and never experienced foul air.

That’s better.

Are there two California’s in America…?
Here is…

10 Worst Smog Cities in America

No. 10: El Centro, Calif.
No. 9: Washington, D.C. — Baltimore
No. 8: Dallas, Texas
No. 7: Houston, Texas
No. 6: Sacramento, Calif.
No. 5: Hanford, Calif.
No. 4: Fresno, Calif.
No. 3: Bakersfield, Calif.
No. 2: Visalia, Calif.
No. 1: Los Angeles, Calif.

http://www.webmd.com/asthma/ss/slideshow-worst-smog-cities

That looks like 70% Californian coverage in the worst smog league to me…
(Incidentally, only one of those is not necessarily in the list due to its own industry – El Centro gets its pollution from across the nearby Mexican border.)

As regards the USA, China, and Indias economy, are you saying it’s a case of, “As long as our economy is O.K. sod the rest of the world?”

I am for America. Its part of protectionism – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectionism
They want to grow up to be big and strong, players in world trade competing with the other big boys. If they have to spend money on silly things like pollution control then they will do all they can to find another way around it, ie not do it and carry on as normal, maybe imposing tariffs on cheaper goods coming in that were in competition with their industries.

Pop away…

Kyoto is a great big red herring. How are we to ban pollutants produce naturally by volcanic activity, forest fires etc as well as the gases emitted by animals? The affects of smoking, active and passive, are well catalogued and proven and highly injurious to life. The direct affects of other pollutants are less clear because the direct affect on human life depends on the levels of ingestion.

SNAFU. I AM NOT having a pop at John whatsoever, in fact, I agree with what he has stated, in the main.I was just pointing out to John, that I.M.O. there are worst things that harm everyones health than smoking, NOTE I did agree with him, and clearly stated, it’s a filthy habit. Obviously one cannot blame him for the polution his Country pumps out, but Obama, seems hell bent on NOT signing the treaty, WHY?. As for SMOG in C.A. I have a very good highly respected friend in San Diego, who is a highly respected Surgeon, we “Speak” to each other most days, and I have never heard him speak of SMOG, indeed in CA, they have very clean air, perchance you may be thinking of L.A.?. further North.I have been to C.A. and never experienced foul air. As regards the USA, China, and Indias economy, are you saying it’s a case of, “As long as our economy is O.K. sod the rest of the world?”
Smoking only affects those that smoke, (In private), but air pollution affects everyone, whether indoors or out.
Jim.
L7

Deep breath, and relax…

But they can’t in other countries listed by Linc because of the smog,smoke ,gasses 🙂

John. I too find your reply rather perplexing, inasmuch as you, and no doubt many others of your Americans, can state that smoking is killing folks etc, why won’t the USA take up the cudgel, and sign the KYOTO Treaty, Unfortunately your Country is one of the worst culprits for chucking tons of gasses into the atmosphere in the worlds, along with Japan, China, and India.Smoking I agree is a filthy habit, but there are worse factors than that, ie, all the gasses your fellow Americans breath in, from the atmosphere your Companies are dumping?.
We are but a very small island, and are quite ridgid regarding what we pump out, it;s like taking a leak into the Atlantic, and waiting for a great flood as a result.I would venture to statee, that what we chuck out, has little or minimum effect on anyone.
Do you remember way back in the 50s?, a thing called SMOG, where there were days in London where one could hardly see from one side of the street to the other.
We have cleaned up our act, and set an example, now I guess it’s the other Countries turn, to step up to the mark.
Jim.
L7

Calm down, Linc-y!
Its only a post on a thread on a forum, not a declaration of war! Mr Boyle may be an American but we cannot hold that against him, just as he cannot hold your nationality against you. Yes, we might get a little patriotic now and again, but he is not the US president and you are not in control of anything other than your keyboard either.

Do you agree with everything he wrote?
I have seen drunk people in the street doing revolting stuff in full public view because they didn’t have the desire to do anything but tip more alcohol down their throats, rather than find a toilet. Nice place, Glasgow…
Yes, there is pollution. But there is also such things as jobs, and protecting those voters who have jobs and any president who tries to put that much work abroad at the cost of American workers won’t be a president for long. We have had pollution and we got rid of much of it.
California (in America!) has recently suffered from smog (I believe) but, although things can be done locally, it is a national problem and at some point someone has got to bite the bullet. America does need to do something about air pollution, and until they do other countries won’t follow suit.
But for some places such polluting industries are what are helping them economically – helping them to cut down their emissions would lose hundreds of thousands of jobs in places like America. Countries like China and India need to get to a fiscally advantageous place before they will feel comfortable making decisions that will cost them money (sod the voters/peasents!) since making pollution, in the short term, is cheap.

Deep breath, and relax…

Jim your response is odd.
All drinking does not lead to violence…but if you read my post, I said that even when used as intended, smoking will have negative effects on one’s health.

John. I too find your reply rather perplexing, inasmuch as you, and no doubt many others of your Americans, can state that smoking is killing folks etc, why won’t the USA take up the cudgel, and sign the KYOTO Treaty, Unfortunately your Country is one of the worst culprits for chucking tons of gasses into the atmosphere in the worlds, along with Japan, China, and India.Smoking I agree is a filthy habit, but there are worse factors than that, ie, all the gasses your fellow Americans breath in, from the atmosphere your Companies are dumping?.
We are but a very small island, and are quite ridgid regarding what we pump out, it;s like taking a leak into the Atlantic, and waiting for a great flood as a result.I would venture to statee, that what we chuck out, has little or minimum effect on anyone.
Do you remember way back in the 50s?, a thing called SMOG, where there were days in London where one could hardly see from one side of the street to the other.
We have cleaned up our act, and set an example, now I guess it’s the other Countries turn, to step up to the mark.
Jim.
L7

Alcohol is a trigger for releasing primitive stupidity and lack of self respect if consumed too much,as a relaxing tipple with real friends -lovely.As ever in the UK we seem to have dropped our levels and standards down to the lowest common denominator and the headlines are full of drunken youths fighting and vomiting in the streets.
Smoking is different- it affects everyone whether they smoke or not,walk past a building that has a designated smoking area outside ad be prepared to hold your breath.
Breathing clean smoke free air SHOULD be the natural default position ,not suffering 2nd hand fumes -yeuch.

Jim your response is odd.
All drinking does not lead to violence…but if you read my post, I said that even when used as intended, smoking will have negative effects on one’s health. Enjoying a drink…in moderation..i.e. as intended by the makers (if in doubt, read their warnings 🙂 … should not cause domestic violence.
I don’t drink…and from my trips to the UK, it’s my opinion that more of your countrymen should follow my example. I do see a lot of impaired young people in my visits (as born out by that UN study from a few years back).

Yes, general air pollution is bad, but one can not escape it in today’s world…unless one has a private island somewhere.
The effects of smoking can be prevented…by NOT SMOKING….radical idea, huh!
Besides, to have the same negative effect, I’d imagine one would have to really suck on a diesel tailpipe…I haven’t seen anyone do that, but then again I haven’t been to the UK in a few months.

Sadly, too many people started before the health effects were well known, and yes, you get a pass for being that old. 🙂 Still, you had the sense to quit, not everyone else has.
I can’t speak for members of the American military…why would I?

Anyone who stated smoking after 1964 (that’s when the US govt. first said it will kill you, it may also have been published earlier) is an idiot.
When used exactly as intended, it will very likely kill you. The same can’t be said of drink

So what about DIE SEL cars John, it has been known for yrs, that their emissions are carcenogenic, also, what about all the food additives that manufacturers put into our food,Do you check everything you eat, as regards contents?. What about the drugs we take?, one mans medicine, can be anothers poison.If we were to follow everything we are told, well, we really would be a Nanny State.In view of what you have stated re the statement the U.S Gov made in 1964, I started well before that, so you can’t put me on that list. If this is true, have they stopped every member of your armed forces from smoking?.I can state that in my 30 yrs as a Police Officer, I attended hundreds, maybe thousands of domestic disputes caused by drink and drugs and booze, but never ONCE were ever caused by having a smoke.
Jim.
L7

On the tattoo front never had one, several friends had the only cool one I would have considered, they had them done just after they joined the rum, bum and baccy brigade.. (Royal Navy to you and me)

They had “Made in Carlisle” tattooed in a circle around their belly buttons in small lettering 🙂

Anyone who stated smoking after 1964 (that’s when the US govt. first said it will kill you, it may also have been published earlier) is an idiot.
When used exactly as intended, it will very likely kill you. The same can’t be said of drink (though too much is not good for you either).

Really, directly ingesting hot tars and gasses?…and some of the people who do it are the same people who are vegans (the don’t want bad chemicals in their bodies) and worried about air pollution.

Thanks Chas, the support I am getting from you guys, has to be seen to be believed, and most welcome.I feel I am “Not alone” as I was when I first posted my woes.
Jim.
L7

You’ll do what you need to do….and it’s good to see you dipping your toe here again!!:)

I used to smoke when I was on the Force, but gave up when I retired. No more stress. However I started again a few weeks ago, I know it’s stupid, considering my past health, but they do relieve a lot of the stress I am feeling now. Weak excuse I know, but it helps, no doubt about it.
Jim.
L7

:applause: Kev and Moggy -Brilliant 🙂

Shown bouncing a couple of Bristols.

Coat? …. I know

No. The need for tattooing seems to me desperately sad, but if it works for others why should I care? It’s their body.

I do think if I was looking to start another business then I would investigate laser tattoo removal – it is pretty obvious it will be a sector with substantial growth in the future. Even if only to remove the spelling mistakes :highly_amused:

Moggy

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The much Maligned P40 Tittyhawk?

Regards,

kev35

I think it all started when they stopped us putting kids up chimneys…

If you love your children you wouldn’t smoke in a car anyway so why the complaints.

Well, they voted for it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26131044

[QUOTE=Last Lightning;2110668]Heres how it is I’m addicted to nicotine its a wonderful drug and I enjoy it/QUOTE]

As indeed every other addict will tell you, whether it is alcohol, weed, crack, etc. (Some of them do use comma’s to make reading easier, though!)

Difference is that you can smoke and drive, unlike the others…(unless there are kids in the car)

I do think the law has gone OTT preventing drivers smoking in their company cars. especially as the only user, though if accompanied I can understand it……..

It is a work place, and you can’t smoke in your workplace. Plus the company will reap the benefits of a boost in the resell value (if they own the vehicle).

Not going to complain about not being allowed to smoke in rental cars?