Some recent pics for Messerschmitt-Fans

Kenneth (et al)

Does anybody know if the French proposing any ‘100th Anniversary of Flight’ type show this year ? Not much seems to have been said about this years Le Bourget show.

DOUGHNUT

@snoopy & arthur: You’re correct of course, thanks for pointing it out.

@rogerS: Sorry to hear about that, wonder what went wrong as I have seen plenty of pictures of aircraft on airliners.net and in www.flugzeugforum.de taken by people on Friday with a Spotters Ticket, and they were not just taken out a building.

@doughnut: The FW190 and the Bf109 were never listed as confirmed on the participant’s list, so I didn’t expect them. The owner of the Swiss P-51D and the Morane D3801 had had a clinch with the “authorities” at the Friedrichshafen show about a minimum altitude or distance not being held (not the first time that that has happened to experienced display pilots there) and as a consequence has cancelled all appearences in Germany (this was reported in a German forum). I thought the show was rather dull, certainly not commensurate with the events which it purported to celebrate (100 years of powered flight and Deutsches Museum).

Oberschleissheim air show

Hi Kenneth,

I shall give my final verdict on the quality of the show when my slides are returned. Unlike RogerS I attended the show on the Saturday, unfortunately the weather started grey and overcast and got worst, by 11.00am it was raining and at 12.30 we departed as any flying display would have surely have been limited. The museum was inspected and contained some nice exhibits, unfortunately some of the promised items failed to show in particular the Fw190, the Swiss Morane 3801 and as mentioned earlier the Me 109. The whole show appeared to take on a small style of a PFA type fly-in with aircraft arriving for most of the morning, their number was presumably limited by the poor weather. Overall not worth the long trip south, but visits to Hermeskeil, Sinsheim and Speyer museums certainly compensated for that.

DOUGHNUT

Re: Thanks, Kenneth

Originally posted by Snoopy
Very nice pictures, Kenneth — thanks for sharing them.

Apologies if this is too obsessive over a tiny detail, but is it possible this aircraft is the HA300 rather than the HA200? The HA300 was Prof Messerschmitt’s delta-winged supersonic design if I remember correctly; the HA200 was a trainer.

Snoopy is correct. For the HA200, one would need to take a look of the picture above the HA300. The Saeta trainer = HA200 (the H stands now no longer for Helwan, but for Hispano). Willy Messerschmidt originally worked on the HA300 design in Spain, but later the project was bought by Egypt.

Thanks, Kenneth

Originally posted by Kenneth
Prof. Messerschmitt assisted in the design of the Helwan HA200 in Egypt in the Sixties; a project which I believe was scrapped by President Nasser. The aircraft is not airworthy.

Very nice pictures, Kenneth — thanks for sharing them.

Apologies if this is too obsessive over a tiny detail, but is it possible this aircraft is the HA300 rather than the HA200? The HA300 was Prof Messerschmitt’s delta-winged supersonic design if I remember correctly; the HA200 was a trainer.

Regards,

Snoopy

I am still tired (and angry like hell)!:mad: 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡

What saved the day a bit, was that we could photograph some old preserved aircraft at the roof of Stuttgart airfield, aswell as the recently restored Super Connie at Munich airport. BW Roger

Roger, what a NIGHTMARE!

Gutted you must have been.

I drove 10 hours last friday, as I was told that it was possible that accreditated press was given 4 hours of photo opertunities at OS. When I arrived, we were not allowed on the field and were only allowed to photograph out of the museum building. We drove 1900 kms that day, all in vain. It was the worst experience in 30 years of airshow history. Bw Roger

Hope that Bielefeld & Hahnweide will be better

@graeme: D-FDME has effectively not been displayed in public since it was acquired by the Foundation in 2001, something about problems getting hull insurance for it. Unfortunately it seems to have blown its engine a couple of weeks ago.

@doughnut: The Messerschmitt-Foundation is based at Manching near Ingolstadt, well inside the heavily guarded premises (the Eurofighter is built and tested there) and is not accessible to the public. The aircraft you saw at Oberschleissheim last weekend are the ones I referred to above. I was there too; what did you think of the event?

Hi Kenneth, exactly where is the museum located ?

The Me 108 marked as D-1010 and an unmarked Me109G where both on static display at the Deutsches Museum airshow at Oberscheisshein on Saturday, I will post some more details later.

DOUGHNUT

Does anyone know if D-FDME is flying? i would like to see her at Flying legends this year?

Jammy b*gg*r

nice picces mate.

Love the second one with ‘REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT’ banner where the engine used to be ! could this be a new form of anti theft deterrant ?

Thanks for the kind remarks. The aircraft are nowadays very rarely displayed anywhere, even in Germany. Best chance to see them is at the biennial ILA-exhibition in Berlin. Unfortunately, ‘ME also has engine problems now. Spotters saw it land recently at its home base trailing white smoke. The collection also comprises a static Bf 108 (marked “D-IOIO”), an unmarked static Bf 109G-2 (Hispano-based) and has an airworthy Messerschmitt M.17 and of course the Me 262 under construction. The two former a/c are often trucked to displays.

Thanks Kenneth for the report, it’s a real coup for you to get into the Foundations base and the photos are fascinating. I especially enjoyed comparing BBs and MEs cockpits. It’s good to see that ME is airworthy after reading of an accident report involving a vehicle collision 2 or 3 years ago. I saw her, in, I think ’96 when she flew into Duxford with Black 6 – what a sight!

The hangar looks pristine – they certainly seem to be putting serious money into their aviation heritage. A good result considering how politically sensitive the issue of German WWII aircraft can be over there.

Thanks again,

Beautiful pictures Kenneth 🙂 ‘ME is certainly in beautiful shape, I only wish we could see her again over here.The only time I saw her she was static at Legends ’95 with mechanical trouble,so have never seen her fly :(.How many hours do the collection’s aircraft do each year?Do they do any overseas display work?
Interesting to see that Egyptian fighter,although I have to say it’s news to me that it even existed!
Thanks again for the pics,interior shots especially. 🙂

Prof. Messerschmitt assisted in the design of the Helwan HA200 in Egypt in the Sixties; a project which I believe was scrapped by President Nasser. The aircraft is not airworthy.

An airworthy Saeta of the collection:

The Me 163 Komet full-size replica which has actually been flown (as a glider). It is however not flown by the Messerschmitt-Foundation.

The instrument panel in the Bf 108:

The collection’s airworthy Bf 108 Taifun D-ESBH: