April 20, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Hi All,
Today myself and fellow forum members BT777 (Benny) and Northern_Git (Sam), had a slightly different flying experience, as we had a wee jaunt down to DSA to experience the aircaft I consider to be the most beautiful machine ever to fly… The DC-3 Dakota! We had planned on a day of photography at either NCL or MAN, but as the DC-3’s won’t be flying in the UK from the middle of July, we thought we’d better jump on one while we had the chance!
The aircraft was G-AMPY of Classic Flight/Air Atlantique and I have to say, having done something in the region of 180 flights on aircraft ranging from PA-28’s to 747’s this was completely different to anything I’ve ever experienced in pretty much every way. The first thing that strikes you when you enter the cabin is how basic everything is. In essence, you’re inside a tin can with wings and engines. It really does feel like that. No overhead lockers, no carpets, no interior trim, no nothing beyond seats. The windows are quite large but square, the frames that make up the fuselage are open and you can see where the external skin is riveted to them. Everything feels so… Old and basic, yet as soon as you step through the door there’s immediately an atmosphere quite unlike that generally experienced when flying the Dakota’s more modern cousins. This is flying as it used to be, complete with all the rattles, vibrations and other elements you’d expect.
The DC-3 being a tail dragger makes for an interesting experience when walking to your seat, as you’re walking up quite a steep incline. This I noticed while nosying around the C-47 at Elvington, although on this particular occasion there was a certain magic to walking through the cabin as I knew we were actualy going to leave the ground. Once boarded, we had a short safety demonstration and then, the first magical thing happened… The engines were started. I purposely sat in the very front seat on the right so I could be as near to one of the engines as possible, and when they were started I was so glad I did. The sound was like no other. I’ve heard a couple of DC-3’s flying and have always thought their very distinctive sound was one of the most pleasant it is possible to hear in aviation, but to actually be sat four feet away from one of those engines was incredible. During the taxi the engines throttled up momentarily, giving us a taste of what was to come. Turning onto the runway, the nice man in the pointy bit advanced the thrust levers and the full, awesome power of those old P&W engines was unleashed. The entire aircraft shook, and I mean shook. The thin wall of the fuselage next to my head felt like it was going to disintegrate, but there was still a very solid feel to this 65 year old aircraft as she accelerated us down the runway. The noise was incredible. Loud… Amazingly loud, but that loud noise had strangely musical qualities. At least it did to my ears.
As we reached rotation speed I expected to feel the tail rise quite noticeably, but being right over the landing gear this wasn’t the case. In fact there wasn’t any real sensation of flying until we were probably a few hundred feet above the ground. When the aircraft rotated we simply seemed to drift into the air. No pitch up, no distinct sensation of ascending; nothing but a view of the ground slowly getting further away. The combination of how basic the aircraft was and the completely different sensations experienced made me think just how far aviation has come. Today, we can hop on a 737 or an A319 and fly somewhere 200 miles away in under an hour. We can board a 747 or 777 and sit in comfort watching personal TV’s while the world gently passes by seven miles underneath us, largely oblivious to the goings on above. The DC-3’s roots are firmly in a time when that was very much not the case, and flying such a classic aircraft really makes you think of what it must have been like when such aircraft were in standard commercial service.
The flight itself was only 15 minutes long but that was certainly enough to get a feel for the aircraft. Coming back in to land was pretty much exactly the reverse of going up… No sensation of the nose pitching down as you can expect in a modern prop or jet passenger aircraft. We simply sank very gently down to the ground and contacted the runway with a very satisfying squeal of rubber on tarmac and we taxi’d to the stand at a nice, gentle pace.
Anyway, on with some photos! Unfortunately due to a rather unclear window I didn’t manage to get much from the actual flight, but the opportunities for other photos were quite good. All images taken with a Canon 30D and my new Sigma 10-20.
Shortly after boarding:

Airborne!

My view looking forwards. Note the rather basic seat belt sign!

The cockpit of this old beauty, with a couple of obvious, more modern modifications added since her construction in 1943.

The cabin. As you can see, there really isn’t much to it!

And some external shots of the aircraft. Isn’t she beautiful?



In general the DC-3 lived up to and surpassed my expectations in every way. I expected a flight that would give me a little more respect for those who were flying in the early years of commercial aviation, and that’s what I had. I expected the DC-3 in flight to be every bit as graceful as it appears to be when viewed from the ground, and it was. I expected the DC-3 to be the noisiest, most uncomfortable, most basic yet most mind-blowingly awesome thing I’ve ever flown on, and it was. It really, truely was.
If you get the chance to experience the Dakota in flight, I really can’t recommend it enough. They won’t be in our skies from July and I’m so glad I experienced an aircraft that played such an instrumental part in making commercial aviation what it is today. I was happy to experience B732’s before they were taken out of service with Ryanair, but that was nothing even remotely like the experience I had today. I’m flying to Dublin tomorrow to meet fellow member/photographer Adam Spalding then we’re flying up to Edinburgh, although 737-800’s will seem very mundane compared to the Dakota.
PMN is happy… Today PMN had the most amazing flight he’s ever done. 🙂
Thankyou for looking, all. I hope you enjoyed!
Paul
By: steve rowell - 27th April 2008 at 02:18
A bare fuselage with no sound proofing..how’s the ears??
By: PMN - 23rd April 2008 at 10:08
Excellent report and photos there Paul. Worth keeping in the archives for generations to come. Great work. I was photographing it from the far side which you can see on your first photo. I didn’t take any shots on some of the trips – I just wanted to watch and listen. Pere music.
Cheers
Stu
I was a little like that when I first saw a C-47 in the air at Elvington. I just stood in awe for the first few seconds as she gracefully made her way through the sky. Such a wonderful sight and one I never want to forget.
Thankyou for your kind words, everyone. Much appreciated. 🙂
Paul
By: Stuart Allen - 22nd April 2008 at 21:00
Excellent report and photos there Paul. Worth keeping in the archives for generations to come. Great work. I was photographing it from the far side which you can see on your first photo. I didn’t take any shots on some of the trips – I just wanted to watch and listen. Pere music.
Cheers
Stu
By: Manston Airport - 22nd April 2008 at 20:53
why are they to stop flying – too old now and deemed “unsafe” or something?
Not all are stopping well most I think are but the BBMF will still be flying there DC-3/C-47 😎 its a shame they are stopping 🙁 Ass they are not aloud to be used for passager flights could they be used on freight flights replace some of there ATP or L188 mail flights :confused: :rolleyes: Anyway fantastic post there and brilliant pictures Paul
😎
So is this last time Air Atlantique will be flying there Dc-3’s or will they just be used for displays?
James
By: Ren Frew - 22nd April 2008 at 12:49
Silly question as im sure its been mentioned somewhere… why are they to stop flying – too old now and deemed “unsafe” or something?
I think new EU regulations require they fit standard safety equipment such as oxygen masks and chutes onto all passenger carrying aircraft. The DC-3 can’t practically be fitted out with this equipment, but try telling that to the bureaucrats… Air Atlantique have said it’s too expensive if not impossible to fit chutes etc on their DC-3’s so the Daks must come down…:mad:
Taken from their website…
On July 15th 2008, our faithful Dakotas will end their long and flawless passenger carrying duties. But this isn’t the comfortable retirement of respected old ladies; we know they have it in them to outlive us all – as anyone who’s flown in them will confirm.
Sadly, but not surprisingly, it’s spiralling regulations that have achieved what time couldn’t. European legislation has decreed that all passenger-carrying aircraft must comply with certain criteria – whatever their age. Some of these modifications would be prohibitively expensive; some are actually impossible to carry out on the DC-3.
The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has been immensely supportive and helpful, and we’re grateful for the help they’ve given us. But time is passing, and it looks ever more certain that 16th July – the implementation date for the EU-OPS legislation – will see our Daks no longer allowed to carry passengers.
and…
A Word About Safety
It’s worth stressing at this point that we’re fully committed to anything that makes flying safer – as our safety record demonstrates. The EU-OPS legislation is well-intentioned, but it lays down requirements that are impossible or impractical for vintage aircraft.Fitting oxygen masks to an aircraft that never flies high enough to use them, or equipping it with chutes to deliver passengers to the ground four feet below the exit door would be prohibitively expensive – even if the items were available. And these are just an example.
Sadly, from July 15th, we have to withdraw the Daks from passenger flying.
By: A330Crazy - 22nd April 2008 at 11:35
Excellent report and photos paul – would love to see more if you have any from you day? 🙂
Great shots from the outside – the wider angle one in particular. It does look very basic inside.
Silly question as im sure its been mentioned somewhere… why are they to stop flying – too old now and deemed “unsafe” or something?
By: widmeister - 21st April 2008 at 16:45
The monochromes work well. Didn’t know it was flying in the old RAF scheme with serial. And what are these things all in a row in one of your shots ? Ah, SEATS. Never had the comfort of a real seat on daks.
By: Paul F - 21st April 2008 at 13:31
Don’t miss out guys….once they’re gone they’re gone!
Hi Paul,
Your report (and excellent photos) reminded me very much of my similar trip some twenty years ago, a 15 min circuit on one of the Air Atlantique aircraft out of Coventry 😀 .
It is a great shame that EU beaurocracy will not allow any sort of concession for historic types such as the DC-3 😡 , and that this summer will (almost certainly) see the last fare-paying passengers fly in DC-3s in Europe:mad: 😡 .
For anyone thinking about whether it’s worth the money to experience a Dakota trip before the legislative door closes – YES IT IS!
If you miss out now you’ll regret it 🙁 .
Paul F
By: B77W - 21st April 2008 at 12:42
I wonder if you were onboard her yesterday? at about 10am as i was waiting in an industrial estate in Mansfield i spied a DC3 heading sort of north eastish about 3000feet.
Nope – It wasn’t us. We departed at 12:30 and entered the VFR CCT at Robin Hood.
As I said yesterday Paul, stunning images – especially the one of me! 😀
Any chance you can do a close up of the area where I was stood…for reasons you and BT777 probaly know.
:diablo:
By: Bristol_Rob - 20th April 2008 at 22:59
Really amazing shots here paul
I wish i went on it lol
looks and sounds well worth the money
rob
🙂
By: Tartan Pics - 20th April 2008 at 22:25
Excellent stuff,Paul. I believe she is doing flights out of Edinburgh in June too, £100 for a 30 minute jolly… quite fancy it.
I wonder if you were onboard her yesterday? at about 10am as i was waiting in an industrial estate in Mansfield i spied a DC3 heading sort of north eastish about 3000feet.
By: Ren Frew - 20th April 2008 at 22:17
Great stuff Paul, the DC-3 is one of my favourites too. I have to say she looks much better from the outside though… lol 😀