"Somewhere in France…"

Skypilot
Now get scanning!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 😉 😉 😉 🙂

YES SIR! 😀

But it will be a bit later if that’s not too much of a problem?

Thanks Andy – at least you seemed to get the point! Sadly, no serials I can make out and I’m a bit loath to post any other pictures in the sets in light of the above hurtful & painful comments! 😉

Skypilot
If you’ve got anymore Great War pictures like that you can post them today.
You put Jesus Christ down as the copyright holder as far as I’m concerned.
People around here have been getting awfully precious about not very much lately.
Now get scanning!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 😉 😉 😉 🙂

Hi all
I don’t care who owns the copyright.
It’s a great picture and thanks for posting it.
I do know 100 Sqn. were part of the Independant Force, the World’s first true strategic bomber force and they were engaged in night bombing work on the western front right up until the armistice.
The old ‘FEEB’ was horribly obsolete by then but served out it’s days as a night bomber.
It was probably painted all black on the upper surfaces with the roundels blacked out too.
There are well known publised pictures of aircraft from this squadron around.
Does it say anywhere what the serial number was?
Cheers
Andy

Thanks Andy – at least you seemed to get the point! Sadly, no serials I can make out and I’m a bit loath to post any other pictures in the sets in light of the above hurtful & painful comments! 😉

For everyone else – I DON’T claim to own the copyright, just the photo – it was tongue in cheek, in part, and also to show I haven’t pinched it, and to discourage anyone else pinching it. Also it is certainly over 75 years old, if that applies. It was a gift to me – I own an original print, not a negative. As said, the digital image is mine, all mine, and nothing but MINE! I guess I need to give up my attempts at irony as they tend not to transpose well through a keyboard!

I can’t believe any pictures of HM forces could automatically be their property as that would include any snapshot – impossible to police. Although it sounds beaurocratic enough to be completely true!

BTW – if anyone would like a nice copy of the above, un-marked by me, just say pretty please and it shall be done.

C’mon chaps, a little less with the seriousness already! 😀 Otherwise I’ll take my ball home and throw out my teddies from the pram and post no more piccies again, never, ever, including my Spitfire prototype blueprint facsimile which Jeffrey Quill gave me as a wedding present……

*Clang* (Name being dropped) 😀

Melvyn,

thanks for the explanations.

My reasoning that a Digitised file is a copyrighted work is derived from observing the Australian War Memorial Collection’s copyright policy. They have a number of wonderful images online and all are watermarked and copyrighted – I assume they claim copyrights of the scanned reproduction that is shown on the webpage and not copyrights of the actual photographs. The charges are hefty too….

-Jagan

Hi all
I don’t care who owns the copyright.
It’s a great picture and thanks for posting it.
I do know 100 Sqn. were part of the Independant Force, the World’s first true strategic bomber force and they were engaged in night bombing work on the western front right up until the armistice.
The old ‘FEEB’ was horribly obsolete by then but served out it’s days as a night bomber.
It was probably painted all black on the upper surfaces with the roundels blacked out too.
There are well known publised pictures of aircraft from this squadron around.
Does it say anywhere what the serial number was?
Cheers
Andy

An alternative way of looking at the copyright law is that he can claim the copyright for the Digital Reproduction – having taken the effort to scan and resize it – The digital file becomes his creation and thus his copyright.

Others are free to use ithe picture as long as they get thier own scanner and photo and scan it using thier own time 😀

I think that would be hard to use in practice. You can use the copyright of a page layout but digitizing is pushing things (it is, after all, just the process of copying). Like I said above, the law is now grey and confused in some areas. It is not helped by the fact there is no definition of ‘public domain’.

I was once told by HM Crown Copyright Officer that anything taken by anyone wearing Her/His Majesties uniform is automatically Crown Copyright. For photographs taken at that time copyright (from memory) was 75 years from date of photograph (this varies depending on when the photograph was taken) so the photograph is out of copyright and no one can claim otherwise.

Photographs from World War Two are also out of copyright as the term was 50 years from the end of the year in which the photograph was taken up until the end of (again from memory) 1968. So, on Jan 1st this year everything taken in 1953 came out of copyright.

Even if the photograph had been taken by a news agency it would still be public domain.

Copyright is a nightmare and the laws are grey and conflicting, I was too knackered to get involved in the last discussion as recent laws are very confusing and have been undermined by some court decisions but as a rule of thumb you can freely use anything taken by HM Govt. from WW2 and before. You cannot claim a new copyright.

MH

An alternative way of looking at the copyright law is that he can claim the copyright for the Digital Reproduction – having taken the effort to scan and resize it – The digital file becomes his creation and thus his copyright.

Others are free to use ithe picture as long as they get thier own scanner and photo and scan it using thier own time 😀

absolutely! Just making a point to be honest! After the lengthy thread on copyright that I inadvertently kicked off, thought it best just to leave no doubts that I haven’t “pinched” it from someone else. I also placed it in the most awkward spot to airbrush out – not that anyone so inclined couldn’t replace it I’m sure.

The copyright notice is a bit optimistic isn’t it?

FE2b indeed. 100 Sqdn. Somewhere in France. The picture is stuck on cardboard and on the reverse are 9 cigarette card sized pictures of various scenes, a couple of crashes, pilots at play etc.

One of the 2 chaps shown is Major C O Bean. I obtained this picture for my collection whilst living in the Isle of Man.

Prior to this, I used to regularly visit another Isel of Man 100 Sqdn RFC veteran, Roy Shillinglaw (he featured in Flypast a number of years ago). He told me various accounts of his time on ops etc. and mentioned a scruffy dog mascot that occassionally went on raids with them. I thought that perhaps his memeory was playing up but when I saw this piccie and asked Mrs. Bean about the dog she confirmed that it had a number of ops under his belt – a genuine dogfighter!

I particularly like the doll mascot on the nose!

You are just sore about not knowing the difference between… 😀

Ooo- a tie with Swiss Mustangs!

FE2B – Biggles’ first combat mount…

Who where & when I don’t know though!

Hi

the type is F.E. 2

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aircraft/gbritain/raf_fe2.html

Martin / Swiss Mustangs

Not a DH2.

Not my era either to be honest but I was given it by the widow of one of the pilots, along with a couple of badges and a message streamer still containing the good luck messages from the rest of the squadron, written on RFC & RAF note paper, which was dropped on the church on their wedding day.

DH2? No idea on squadron though, not really my era…

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