Soviet Union Aces of the Korean War?

Air Marshal Ivan. N .Kozhebdub!! Kept his neck

13th August 1991.

Via New York time’s Soviet Union’s Top War Ace, Ivan dead at 71.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE7DB133DF930A2575BC0A967958260

And yes the dude did do a Bio!

Two actually.

Vernost Otchizne ( All For The Motherland )Gee’s sound like Pom’s :rolleyes:

Sluzhu Rodine ( I serve My Country )

Wonder if there is English version’s as yet:confused:

On that line not many Jap Ace’s Bio’s in English YET! and are there Any Italian Ace’s bio’s :D:D :p or is that like the Italian War hero in Ello ello :rolleyes:

Ooooo Roooo Croc’s Rule!!:dev2:

G ‘day!!

I have a great book here that cover’s a LOT of all that and more 😉

Stalin’s Falcon’s, The Aces of The Red Star.

A tribute To The Notable Fighter Pilots Of the Soviet Air Forces 1918-1953.

By Tomas Polak with Christopher Shores.

1999 ISBN 1 902304 01 2.

Has ref’s to other Soviet pilot’s Bio’s too, bit hard to find at me local library but most in Russian :rolleyes:

Interestng the Red Nob’s did not let, ” Ace Of Ace’s “

Ivan N.Kozhedub

(62 Victory’s highest claim for Soviet and Allied Air Force’s WW2.)

Take combat mission’s in Korea, was only allowed to fly behind front line’s, and check on downed enemy aircraft for secret’s.

(Chuck Yeager had a similiar job else where LOL!)

This guy Ivan Kozzy was a dead set GUN!! 😀 😮

It must have frustrated the hell out of him not being able to add to his 62 kill’s. as other mate’s DID! 😡 :rolleyes:

Wonder what became of Ivan in the End :confused:, lot of Stalin purge’s in them dark day’s, was not good to be too popular in public :rolleyes:

That’s one Red dude’s bio I would luv ta read!! :D:D

Agree Scooter mate, try and get the young one’s to chat type and learn something NEW!!;)

Oooooo Roooooo, CROC’S RULE!!!:dev2:

The Soviet fighter units were in Korea were credited with on the order of 1100 UN a/c, and as pilots with 5 or more credits generally represent a lot of the credits in any sustained air war, naturally there were a lot of aces, although the Soviets tended to rotate units at a fair frequency so no unit served for more than several months so that limited the concentration of victories somewhat. Here’s an analysis of the credits of the highest credited Soviet ace in Korea, Nikolai Sutyagin, v. US records and other Soviet and Chinese claims made at the same dates and times. The latter element is important I think. Even when (somewhat rarely) confirmation of ace scores in opposing records is attempted, the tendency is to ignore other claims on the ace’s side which could also have explained the losses. In this case as one can see there were usually several competing credits to MiG pilots for each of relatively few US air combat losses that could possible correspond to Sutyagin’s credited victories.
http://www.acepilots.com/discussions/sutyagin.html

I haven’t read the new Osprey book on this topic yet. I would expect it not to engage in the sort of analysis on the link above to the same degree. But in fairness, Osprey ‘aces’ books in general don’t do that, it can spoil a lot of the fun so to speak :). In seriousness I don’t aim to denegrate the efforts of Soviet pilots in Korea, or any other pilots, but I think rigorous comparison to opposing records is something that should be done where possible, and it’s particularly feasible in this case: the Soviet claims are quite specific as to type date and time, and US records are very detailed as well. In almost all cases the two sides agree which air combats happened where and when between which general types of a/c and about how many of each, but they typically disagree quite sharply on the results when it comes to Soviet victory credits and US losses, less so in the other direction but don’t agree completely about that either (nor would it be expected based on WWII experience, but the Soviet credits/US losses discrepancy is unusally large by WWII standards).

Joe

Slight tangent, but anyone with an interest in this area might check out ‘Ascent’ by Jed Mercurio, which tells the story of one such Soviet ace in Korea and his subsequent progression through to the space programme.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ascent-Jed-Mercurio/dp/0099468522/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210315282&sr=1-1

I just finished it myself. While fictional – and requiring a little suspension of disbelief at times – it’s meticulously researched and rather gripping.

TV documentary about Mig-15 interviewed one of the Russian pilots….:confused:

Dogfights?

TV documentary about Mig-15 interviewed one of the Russian pilots – now what was it called and when was it broadcast:confused:

Interesting…………….has anyone read the book? If, so any opinions???

Hi Scooter,

Nope, not yet. Still waiting for this book to be available in the nearest bookshop here….sorry.:(

There is this book titled “Soviet MiG-15 Aces of the Korean War” published by Osprey Publishing. Perhaps this book is of use to your query?

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/title_detail.php/title=T2997

Interesting…………….has anyone read the book? If, so any opinions???

Let Google be your friend –

http://aeroweb.lucia.it/rap/RAFAQ/SovietAces.html

Thanks for the information………..I was just looking for a little imput from the members.:rolleyes:

There is this book titled “Soviet MiG-15 Aces of the Korean War” published by Osprey Publishing. Perhaps this book is of use to your query?

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/title_detail.php/title=T2997

Among those who “claimed the former Soviet Union fought along side the North Koreans against the United Nations”is the former Soviet Union itself!

Hardly a controversy anymore… since the Soviet’s documents were released into the public domain.

Let Google be your friend –

http://aeroweb.lucia.it/rap/RAFAQ/SovietAces.html