Spain’s Unique Financial Crisis

Most of it is covered here, I think…

http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/2553-what-we-stand-for

Andy

Perhaps one of us could e-mail UKIP direct with a list of questions incorporating those that you’ve asked. Any volunteers?

Are you speaking as Charlie Hunt or is this actually UKIP policy??
Andy

Entirely my personal view, Andy. I am not a member of UKIP and have only voted for them once, in the last European Elections in 2009.

I agree with that–a referendum is really needed.

For anyone who wants a referendum on the EU, UKIP is the only choice. Both the Conservatives and Socialists have promised this before, and failed to deliver.

All of the other main parties have failed us ( I voted for this current lot, and I’ll never vote for the Socialists after what they have done to us) and I believe a long overdue change is in order.

But where we differ, Andy, is that I don’t believe that much will change quickly, for the reasons I already posted. Our trade imbalance in the EU’s favour puts us in a strong position, not a weak one.

Yes but.
Are UKIP relying solely on this..?
Serious question to you Charlie.
Are you speaking as Charlie Hunt or is this actually UKIP policy??
I need to read more on the subject.
Andy

But where we differ, Andy, is that I don’t believe that much will change quickly, for the reasons I already posted. Our trade imbalance in the EU’s favour puts us in a strong position, not a weak one.

John.
No I meant what would UKIP do the day after we left the EU..?
I suspect the fall out would be enormous and the country would need good, clear thinking government to steer us through those difficult early days.
Like Charlie, I think eventually Britain would find new markets, and possibly more lucrative ones, but that wouldn’t happen immediately and some loss of turn-over would occur.
That’s what I mean about hardships.
British business would need to be freed up by a considerable amount if they were going to pursue new business in new markets–and win it.

Are UKIP for instance, that clear in their statements on how they would achieve this??–for instance, and this is where I call in my earlier statement about Panacea politics. It’s easy to say we’ll find new markets–and of course that can indeed be done. But it actually needs to be done by someone–not just talked about. Business would need assistance to do this.
Likewise, my guess is that initially at least, until that happy state had been achieved, unemployment would rise and standards of living drop. Again have UKIP done any forward planning for this?–got any advanced thinking on it?? And that again begs again my earlier question. Have the rank and file really got the stomach for this..?

You convince me of some of the above–and you’ve got yourselves a convert.
Andy

Andy #21

You ask: “What would UKIP do next?” meaning in the event that they did win a General Election. They do not have to do anything, anymore than the Tories or the Socialists or the Liberal Democrats (that’s an oxymoron if ever there was one) would.

It is the permanent Civil Service that administers the day-to-day running of the country, with – once they’ve got their size 9s under the table – the Govt. attempting to add some change of direction according to their particular brand of political dogma.

Note the use of the word ‘attempt’. I wonder how many recall a very touching TV moment featuring – when Labour got in the time before last – a fashionably attired Lord Mandelson entering a supposedly neutral Whitehall dept. grinning from ear to ear while being pleasantly assaulted by a wildly clapping, cheering and whooping crowd of supposedly neutral Civil Service workers? Very illuminating ! Very neutral !

Andy – I don’t believe they would do much to prejudice their trade balance with us in the short/medium term – in the parlous state which their economy finds itself they simply could not afford to scupper an important export market. In the longer term we will find bigger and better markets, and so will they.

Economics will rule the politics, as it always does, which is why the project is doomed in the medium/long term. Our departure would severely weaken the institution and others of the less committed nations might seek to follow suit.

I have a feeling the pain will be a great deal less than many – largely pro-EU – suggest it would be.

No Charlie, I think it would be considerable, but speaking personally, I for one would be willing to bear it.
Not because I feel I have some masochistic destiny to be martyred, but because I do think it would ultimately be worth it.
I base my opinion on the way I fear the political zealots who without doubt have a ‘European Federalist Vision’ have behaved in the past and that coupled to the fact that so many have their feet in the trough, and therefore keeping the United Kingdom in, is in very much their vested interests.
I cannot see them acting in anything other than complete spite to attempt to scew us over, and that may well evolve into an economic war of attrition.
As I said though, this might be hard in the short term, and require bold, clear thinking descissions from our masters but in the end might benefit us all.

Now, if UKIP think they’re the people to act like this, I’m listening, but apart from the initial thing of getting us out–what do they intend to do next..??

A.

I doubt that the British people these days have the moral fibre to withstand the considerable hardship this would very likely bring in the short and medium term.

I have a feeling the pain will be a great deal less than many – largely pro-EU – suggest it would be.

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Creaking Door

“A lone voice crying in the wilderness….”

#18

Andy,

Unless we give UKIP at least one go, we will never know.

There might be a threat to Britains economic prospects outside the EU but, the reality is somewhat different. The present balance of trade favours the EU. We buy from them more than we sell – by about 15%. Given the EU’s present economic condition, which is likely to pertain just as long as they maintain a single currency, they will not want to lose that favourable trade balance.

While I find much of what Mr. Farage says both interesting and appealing, I might also say (with certain reservations bearing mind subsequent events) that had I been German and living in Germany in 1933, I might have found some of what Herr Hitler said, both interesting and appealing, and although I’m not for one minute contending that UKIP is in any way like the NSDAP, I am somewhat suspicious of panacea politics.
Glib answers are not hugely likely to impress me, and while I feel that Britain departing from the EU would be both a sensible, and in the long term good thing for Britain, I doubt that the British people these days have the moral fibre to withstand the considerable hardship this would very likely bring in the short and medium term. Having said that, I happen to believe that departure from the EU would probably have the purgative effect that I feel this country and it’s somewhat indolent, shallow and self obsessed society badly needs.
So, in the long run, after much pain, a better society might well emerge.
Speaking personally, should I use my own resources (petrol, wear and tear on the car, my valuable time etc) to place my vote for UKIP on the ballot paper, only to find that once in power they behaved like the previous twenty or so groups of indolent, crooked, self centred w*nkers who have claimed to have run the country in my lifetime, I might well be somewhat angry and disappointed.
Therefore for the moment, until I get a better feel for what is really going to happen within UKIP–and without, I shall withhold judgment and remain ‘non aligned’.

I wonder how many will vote UKIP in the European Elections a year before our General Election…..they came 2nd to the Conservatives in 2009 and are now the 3rd party in the UK. My guess is they might just come 1st.

…are there any at all, who will not be voting UKIP at the next Gerneral Election?

Me! 😉

Looking at the shambles that is the EU, and remembering the prescient words of the alleged founder; Jean Monnet, advocating the advancement of the EU by deception, stealth and concealment from the people of Europe of its true federal intentions, are there any at all, who will not be voting UKIP at the next Gerneral Election?

He talks a great deal of sense, which is why there are many, particularly pro-EU, who try to paint him as a racist, which is the last thing he is.

And this overlayed by the fact that the EU “government” itself is less democratic than any of its member states.

Yes and Mr Farage describing Greece as ‘The German Protectorate Of Greece’ actually isn’t now that absurd.

I think he also said something like:- “If you take democracy, liberty and freedom of speech away from ordinary people, all they are left with as tools, are nationalism and violence”.

We’ll see.
A.

And this overlayed by the fact that the EU “government” itself is less democratic than any of its member states.