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Spanish and other navies Never where ships

I promised to Gollevainen search for some Spanish naval projects that never reached operative status, but would be interesting to know also about other countries.
We know a lot of USA, GB, Russian and even German and French projects that never touched the sea surface, but what about Spanish, Italian, Dutch, Danish, Norway and whatever else?

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By: radar - 9th September 2009 at 19:46

to me it looks more like a meko-x goes aegis/spy-1 than a f-124 based aegis version.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 9th September 2009 at 03:27

And last but not least the proposed SPY-1D version of the German F124 class offered to Australia in 2006:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/MConrads/AusDDGAWD_BlohmVossMEKO2006.png
Has a striking resemblance to the Gibbs & Cox International Frigate (aka Baby Burke).

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she looks top heavy

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By: Arabella-Cox - 31st August 2009 at 19:46

Hi,

the resurrection of a great thread. I recently found these pictures on the TKMS homepage:

An Angolan / Nigerian navy version of the MEKO A-200 from 2004:
Note the different radar and gun set compared to the MEKO A-200 SAN.

Here is an Saudi Arabian version from 2006:

Here is a Thai version of the MEKO A-100 from 2005:

An enlarged MEKO D, probably the D-500 from 2008:

And the proposed Hellenic Navy version, the MEKO D-600 from 2008:

And last but not least the proposed SPY-1D version of the German F124 class offered to Australia in 2006:
Has a striking resemblance to the Gibbs & Cox International Frigate (aka Baby Burke).

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Hi Conrad,
I’m very curious about those Meko design, so i’ve tried to find those picture on TKMS website myself, but can’t find it. Where is exactly you found those picture? And is there any hi-res picture available?

Thanks in advance.

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By: Nils - 23rd August 2009 at 19:07

i remember that back in 2000, there were plans for a joint Belgian/Luxemburg Amphibious assault ship (LHD), but in 2003, plans wer shelved due to the fact that the idea was to costly and unrealistic.

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By: kato - 23rd August 2009 at 18:38

Hi,
An Angolan / Nigerian navy version of the MEKO A-200 from 2004:

Imho “AN, FAA, NN” on the picstands for “Angola, Forcas Armadas de Angolanas, nomen nescio“. Read: unnamed variant for Angola. Not Nigeria.

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By: MConrads - 23rd August 2009 at 16:47

Hi,

the resurrection of a great thread. I recently found these pictures on the TKMS homepage:

An Angolan / Nigerian navy version of the MEKO A-200 from 2004:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/MConrads/AnFFTKMSMEKOA-200ANFAANN2004.png
Note the different radar and gun set compared to the MEKO A-200 SAN.

Here is an Saudi Arabian version from 2006:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/MConrads/SArFFTKMSMEKOA-200SA2006.png

Here is a Thai version of the MEKO A-100 from 2005:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/MConrads/ThFSTKMSMEKOA-100RTN2000.png

An enlarged MEKO D, probably the D-500 from 2008: http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/MConrads/DFFGTKMSMEKOD-5002008.png

And the proposed Hellenic Navy version, the MEKO D-600 from 2008:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/MConrads/GrFFGTKMSMEKOD-600HN20082.png

And last but not least the proposed SPY-1D version of the German F124 class offered to Australia in 2006:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d28/MConrads/AusDDGAWD_BlohmVossMEKO2006.png
Has a striking resemblance to the Gibbs & Cox International Frigate (aka Baby Burke).

Best regards.

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By: Wanshan - 31st August 2008 at 23:53

Oy, Patinho is essentially identical to RNthN Amsterdam: a co-design!

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By: santi - 28th August 2008 at 12:27

Do you have a good line drawing of the new Spanish AOR (or of Patino for that matter)?

Something like that?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/BAC_5.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/BAC_3b.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/BAC_4.jpg

Of course, I want a shipbucket Cantabria sometime in the future….;)

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By: MConrads - 28th August 2008 at 11:56

Thanks for these great images. They proof my point: It is sometimes good to revive a wonderful thread :-))

Best regards.

P.S. Do you have a good line drawing of the new Spanish AOR (or of Patino for that matter)? Thanks for your help.

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By: santi - 28th August 2008 at 10:33

As promised, some line drawings of different Serviola OPV versions that never came to fruition.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/IZAR_SERVIOLA_AAEPV.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/IZAR_SERVIOLA_ASEPV.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/IZAR_SERVIOLA_PDPV.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/IZAR_SERVIOLA_SAPV.jpg

… and bonus track in form of a recent BAM OPV CGI 😉

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y168/rgc/BAM_21b.jpg

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By: MConrads - 28th August 2008 at 08:50

I think it was the DSME / Thales proposal for the KDX-III. It is obviously based on DSME KDX-II design but significantly larger. If someone knows the stats for this design I would really appreciate if he would share them with us.

In the end Hyundai´s design won.

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By: Wanshan - 27th August 2008 at 20:25

A CGI of the KDX-II with APAR? No, I have not seen that before. I know a Thales KDX-III proposal for an APAR/Smart-L equipped design. It is somewhere in this thread as well. Do you mean that one?

Thanks.

P.S. Does someone have a picture of the Korean “Tomahawk”?

http://blog.chosun.com/web_file/blog/337/1837/3/KDX-3-apar.jpg

It says KDX-3-APAR (above) but clearly is a modified KD-2 (below)

http://www9.ttvnol.com/uploaded2/bbhasta/kdx-ii_c04.jpg

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By: santi - 27th August 2008 at 17:39

Hi, MConrads.
As fine as ever this drawings 🙂
May be the pedestal of the fore Mk-99/SPG-62 would be a bit taller, according to the images a couple of pages before. At that level firing a RAM can “toast” the radar ditch ;).

Tomorrow I’ll post some rare line drawings of the Spanish Serviola OPV with Meroka, Harpoon and other stuff.

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By: MConrads - 27th August 2008 at 12:29

A CGI of the KDX-II with APAR? No, I have not seen that before. I know a Thales KDX-III proposal for an APAR/Smart-L equipped design. It is somewhere in this thread as well. Do you mean that one?

Thanks.

P.S. Does someone have a picture of the Korean “Tomahawk”?

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By: Wanshan - 26th August 2008 at 21:41

Hi,

this is as good as any to show you the latest drawing. The CGI version of the AEGIS equipped KDX-II can be found somewhere in this thread.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Newest%20Drawings/RoKDDGKDX-II_ChungmugongYiSunsin1.gif
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Never%20build%20designs/RoKDDGKDX-II_ChungmugongYiSunsin2.gif

I’ve seen a CG of a variant with APAR and SMART. You got that too?

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By: MConrads - 26th August 2008 at 08:59

Hi,

this is as good as any to show you the latest drawing. The CGI version of the AEGIS equipped KDX-II can be found somewhere in this thread.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Newest%20Drawings/RoKDDGKDX-II_ChungmugongYiSunsin1.gif
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Never%20build%20designs/RoKDDGKDX-II_ChungmugongYiSunsin2.gif

Hope you like them.

Best regards.

P.S. If someone has a picture of the true Korean Land Attack Missile, please let me know.

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By: orko_8 - 19th June 2008 at 19:17

Thanks for the info Orko. The depicted ship looks worse though than many of our shipbucket drawings. Are you sure this is an official design?

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🙂 You are right Martin,

As far as I remember, the drawing depicts the preliminary design parameters of Turkish Navy regarding the MilGem project. Not the drawing maybe, but the weapon and mission systems and the overall composition is the then-official design. The mission definition and design parameters of MilGem were changed later.

When this design was published (late 90’s – early 2000’s IIRC), the TF-2000 project was also on the table. I think Turkish Navy wanted a general purpose frigate by MilGem and an AAW – C&C frigate in TF-2000. When the TF-2000 was shelved, the definiton maybe shifted to ASW oriented corvette, which is the MilGem as we know today.

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By: MConrads - 19th June 2008 at 15:34

Thanks for the info Orko. The depicted ship looks worse though than many of our shipbucket drawings. Are you sure this is an official design?

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By: orko_8 - 19th June 2008 at 12:52

The below is the preliminary design of Turkish MilGem corvette project.

As obvious, it’s more like a frigate and the project had gone through major redesign and redefinition processes.

http://xs128.xs.to/xs128/08254/milgem5tc791.jpg.xs.jpg

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By: MConrads - 19th June 2008 at 10:27

Hi,

recent new images (at least for me) validate the resurrection of this thread (I hope:-). This November-December 2007 issue of the Australian Defence Buisness Review has a CGI shot of the CEAFAR equipped Halifax frigate. It also shows a “new” configuration of the CEAFAR equipped Anzac frigate (the third configuration if I am not mistaken).

First configuration

Second configuration

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/AusFFMeko200_ANZACCeaFar3.gif

There is also this corresponding image on the CEA website.

Now I understand all this talk about the difficulties of mounting the Harpoon launchers in their “usual position” behind the bridge. If you want to install such a high and surly top heavy new mast module you have to save all the weight you can and mount every piece of equipment as low as possible. Reminds me a bit of the Know class (from the silhouette I mean).

It is interesting to note that on all three ships depicted, CEAFAR replaces different sets of radars: Halifax -> only the long range AN/SPS-49; Hydra -> both the long range as well as the short range radars (and with CEAMOUNT the STIRs); Anzac -> only the short range radar.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Never%20build%20designs/CaFFHHALIFAX4.gif

Sadly the General Dynamics team gave up its tender for the FLEX program otherwise we might have seen this Thales SeaPAR/Smart-S equipped beauty come to life:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Never%20build%20designs/CaFFHHALIFAX3.gif

Hope you like the drawings.

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