February 19, 2004 at 9:38 pm
Can anyone tell me if the Shuttleworth Spifire (pictured below) ever escorted the 306th BG (H) based at Thurleigh on any of their early missions as depicted in the Kieth Hill print ‘Thurleigh Prelude’? and does anyone have a jpeg image of the print?
Also I’m sure that I read somewhere that towards the end of the war the 306th BG had their own mustang that was used to fly ahead of the bomber stream (for reporting weather conditions over the target) which was painted in Group markings. Can anyone confirm this? and if so, does anybody have a photo of this aircraft?
By: JDK - 20th February 2004 at 15:22
I wouldn’t have thought that AR501 could’ve been too clapped out if she’s still flying 60 odd years on.
Hmmm. That’s because she survived a period of being 2nd line and unwanted, to then become very very valuable! Also AR501 is flying 1. because of a Battle of Britain Film ‘restoration’ 2. a 1975 restoration at Duxford by a under recognised combined team, and 3. lots of hard work by OW staff and careful flying. Oh, and 4. a ’50 year check’ by Westlands! 😀
By: Andy in Beds - 20th February 2004 at 14:02
AR501
Hi Sq/L
I have the print in question hanging on my landing.
the little paragraph of text in the bottom left hand corner tells me that it represents a raid on Lille and Courtrai on Oct 9th 1942.
The first raid by the 306th BG.
It also goes on to say that the Spitfire in question took part in a diversionary sweep in support of the raid that day.
I then referenced ‘The Mighty Eighth War Diary’–R Freeman and it states that the RAF sent Spitfires as a diversion to Circus 224.
The U.S. also sent P38’s of the 1st FG as a diversion also.
Their last mission with the eighth before transfer to the middle east.
I think it’s unlikely that the Spitfires of 310 Sqn flew in close formation with the 306th as depicted in the picture.
The print was produced to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of the raid.
All the best
Andy.
PS.I’ll try looking up the Mustang you mentioned later.
By: VoyTech - 20th February 2004 at 10:44
Originally posted by Sq/L Scramble.
AR 501 would’ve escorted the 306th (if it’s happened at all) somewhere around late ’42 either October or November as the raid depicted in ‘Thurleigh Prelude’ was on one of their first raids on Lille, France, which would place it either October 9th 1942 or November 8th 1942 though they did go again on January 13th 1943 and then not again until September 9th the same year.
Originally posted by Mark12
AR501 would have been with 310 (Czech) Sqd based at Exeter with a possible detachment to Bolt Head.
It should not be too difficult to check no. 310 ORB at the PRO for those respective dates.
If you can’t do that, I will try to check some CzechAF related publications.
Escort missions were usually codenamed Ramrod (earlier there were Circuses, but I don’t think any involved US bombers).
Rhubarb was a fighter-only mission.
V.
By: Mark12 - 20th February 2004 at 08:54
October/November 1942
AR501 would have been with 310 (Czech) Sqd based at Exeter with a possible detachment to Bolt Head.
Rhubarbs to Northern France.
Mark
By: SqL Scramble. - 20th February 2004 at 08:37
Sorry, I should’ve made it a bit clearer in my last post, The 306th painted P-51 would be around mid ’44 to the end of the war.
AR 501 would’ve escorted the 306th (if it’s happened at all) somewhere around late ’42 either October or November as the raid depicted in ‘Thurleigh Prelude’ was on one of their first raids on Lille, France, which would place it either October 9th 1942 or November 8th 1942 though they did go again on January 13th 1943 and then not again until September 9th the same year.
I wouldn’t have thought that AR501 could’ve been too clapped out if she’s still flying 60 odd years on.
By: Mark12 - 19th February 2004 at 22:52
AR501 went to 58 OTU, which usually means it was clapped out, in March 1944. Then after an accident and repair to the Central Gunnery School in April 1945.
Mark
By: SqL Scramble. - 19th February 2004 at 22:43
I would guess it would have to be somewhere between mid ’44 and the end of the war. The relative lack of enemy fighters at this time woul’ve made the skies over europe somewhat safer for a single P-51 to venrure forth, but as I say it is a guess.:rolleyes:
By: Mark12 - 19th February 2004 at 22:23
What sort of date are we talking here?
Mark