October 31, 2005 at 1:42 pm
Dear Readers,
I had an email from a friend which said:
>On the Midland News (both channels!) they are making a big play
>about the government refusal to allow two Spitfires to fly their
>usual traditional flight on Remembrance Sunday, over the “built-up
>areas” of Nuneaton, in Warks.
>
>All the people involved, especially the veterans (for want of a better word!) >are disappointed, dumbfounded, angry and sad! It has taken place every >year since the war – now ‘they’ say “it is not safe to fly a single-engined >plane over a built-up area”!
>
>Absolute cobblers! The air is thick with single-engined planes, especially at >weekends!
>
>I was hoping to see, or hear somebody make a reference to “EU laws
>that are preventing it”, but there was nothing! It needs a positive
>link to the EU – and for it to be heard on air!
>
>Unless they DID make a reference and it was edited out? Now that IS
>possible! Knowing the BBC especially, it is quite possible they did that.
>
>Have you heard about it and do you know if it was “EU related”?
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Stan.
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May I enquire if anybody has heard more about this mad idea 😡 to cancel the fly-past on this day of all days?
To dispel the low-flying theory, we all know about the present Rules of the Air.
I am trying to get to the bottom of who initiated such a PR that was passed to and transmitted by the Midland channels.
Thanks for your help.
TG
By: vulcan558 - 1st November 2005 at 21:07
I live in the village next to Bedworth and seen most of the flypasts over the last 10- years or so from the 3 TTTE Tornados .
The late Mark hanna in the 109 with a the spit that was one that sticks with me as the pair held over my house for about 10 minutes .
as for the spit and built up areas the park they fly over is on the hedge of a old mineing area now a country park and past that open fields so not built up area at all . the dc3 comes in from cov across the open fields as normal cannot see any problems with . it to be honest.shame really i get a great view of it all . think things are going to pc really will be no flypast or anything soon .
By: Ewan Hoozarmy - 1st November 2005 at 13:47
I heard that the DC3 poppy drop was being allowed, but the Spitfires were not. Maybe something to do with the fact that a Spitfire is operated on a Permit to Fly, and the DC3 is on a Cert of Airworthiness?
By: Moggy C - 1st November 2005 at 08:11
It’s perfectly safe to have an airliner flying over built up areas (if one of those came down, more would be killed than if a Spitfire came down)
Whilst not disagreeing with your sentiments I have to point out that in the event of an engine failing airliners generally have one or more ‘spares’ to fly them to a safe landing. Not an option in the Spitfire.
Spitfires over London? I think these are invariably BBMF = Military. Military flights are not bound by CAA regulation.
Anybody know if the proposed flights were by RAF or civilian aircraft?
I worked at Atlantique at the time of the very first poppy drop.
It isn’t a simple procedure in the DC3 which isn’t fitted with bomb doors. It basically entails shoving them out the main cargo door. So the pilot, operating on forecast winds, has to make his best guess as to where to drop, and then relies on verbal communication with the despatchers to initiate the drop. It isn’t simple, hardly suprising they don’t always get it right.
Moggy
By: RPSmith - 1st November 2005 at 01:29
I share the outrage that the CAA seem to have kicked the organisers in the b*lls. Bedworth British Legion (I think) say they are the ONLY town in the UK to have held a remeberance service on November 11th every year – and they usually have a flypast.
I think the “missed target” incident a couple of years ago (when Air Atlantique’s Dakota’s poppy drop didn’t fall on the service below) could be put down to wind effect. I imagine the pilot had to choose between flying over the service and the poppys drifting away or flying out of sight so the poppys hit their target. Perhaps a member from AA will comment.
Roger Smith.
By: hunterxf382 - 31st October 2005 at 21:51
I attended the Bedworth parade a few years ago to see a colleague from the Midland Air Museum on what was to be his last ever rememberance parade there… (some of you may have known Frank Wilkins).. That year the parade was overflown by not just a Spitfire but a Buchon (or ME109 – couldn’t tell ya which), which was a stirring sight for all on the ground… I’m ex-RAF, but I also respect the view that there were losses form both sides during WW2 – which made the joint flypast / display somewhat poignant to watch….
I can’t figure the CAA out on this ‘new ruling’ – I’ve seen Spits fly over Buckingham Palace etc, so why the sudden change of stance? It’s disrespectful to all those lost and remembered on this day, and someone ought to be brought to account for making this decision…
As for Atlantique’s Dak flypast / poppy drop – I heard that because of a previous bad drop (missed the target), it was not allowed to continue? Can’t help feeling that the CAA have a very narrow minded view on anything like this…. mistakes can happen? With proper regulations already in place for any historic flyer, where’s the problem suddenly appeared from?
Using Bedworth as the example – any technical hitches during a display there – should be easy enough to recover quite quickly to Coventry Airport???
😡
By: Rlangham - 31st October 2005 at 15:15
It isn’t actually Nuneaton that’s supposed to have the flypast – It’s Bedworth, a few miles away. I’ve done the Rememberance day parade at Bedworth before, i think it’s the only town in the UK to have the remberance day parade on the actual 11th of November. They normally have a Dakota from air atlantique, tends to miss the actual site of the war memorial though
By: DazDaMan - 31st October 2005 at 15:12
It was probably someone with no respect for the aircraft or the people that flew her and continue to do so to this day 😡
Tt may be some political type not wanting to offend someone – isn’t that the “in” thing these days? :rolleyes:
These people need their heads examined.
By: Spitfire Pilot - 31st October 2005 at 13:59
It was probably someone with no respect for the aircraft or the people that flew her and continue to do so to this day 😡
By: Spitfire Pilot - 31st October 2005 at 13:57
I think that that is……….I am not allowed to describe how I feel on here (for obvious reasons) but I think that you should get the picture.
When is the Government going to quit giving us all this CRAP…….It’s perfectly safe to have an airliner flying over built up areas (if one of those came down, more would be killed than if a Spitfire came down) but not a Spitfire with an experienced display pilot…..what do they think will hapen…….it’s an outrage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😡