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Spitfire on A15

Going down the A15 toward Peterborough this afternoon (2pm, 20 August) about 5 miles north of there, I stopped at a lay-by where a Spitfire was sitting proudly on the back of a lorry. As the driver was having a cup of tea I was able to chat to him. He was bringing it from Coningsby for repainting, and then it was off to Leuchars as gate guardian. He had transported its wings the previous week. It was bare metal all over and I could see no markings. Can anyone tell me which one this was?

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By: CIRCUS 6 - 22nd August 2012 at 08:01

The picture reminds mind of how very many years ago I was finishing off my second ever model, an Airfix Beaufighter, when I noticed that one of the fin flashes was the wrong way round on the transfers sheet, so I had to apply it blue part to the front. (I think I soon became a bit more adaptable).:)

I’m afraid the airfix transfers were accurate, you just needed to rotate it 180 degrees to have it the right way up! (I remember this quandry too!!)

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By: DazDaMan - 21st August 2012 at 21:58

I can’t recall off-hand, but I thought the larger tail was to combat the loss of side area when the cut-down fuselage was adopted on the 22?

The 21 was not a great aeroplane to fly to begin with, but Supermarine set about a lot of mods to the controls to make it satisfactory.

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By: Tin Triangle - 21st August 2012 at 21:08

Supermarine changed the tail unit during Mk. 22 production to that from the Spiteful (much larger surfaces), perhaps that was why?

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By: David Burke - 21st August 2012 at 20:58

One of the Alfred Price Spitfire books has a flight test report on the F.21 – it doesnt paint a glowing picture of the type.

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By: DCK - 21st August 2012 at 20:53

Someone said this mark had bad handling characteristics. Is this true?

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By: HP111 - 21st August 2012 at 17:44

Let us hope it is the correct one.

J-XU indeed. 😮

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The picture reminds mind of how very many years ago I was finishing off my second ever model, an Airfix Beaufighter, when I noticed that one of the fin flashes was the wrong way round on the transfers sheet, so I had to apply it blue part to the front. (I think I soon became a bit more adaptable).:)

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By: phlyer - 21st August 2012 at 12:07

This (so far) has been the only Spit ive ever sat in, many years ago in the back of the hangar at Wittering, and i wasnt really suprised that with ny arms folded I only had about an inch of free space either side of my elbows! Glad to see its still in good condition. I knew a new Phoon Sqn was on the cards, with the sheer number of frames currently with the Canopeners (seemingly 24 were reported not that long ago). 1 Sqn was suggested amongst others, esp 43 or 111 because of their long association with the base but hadnt seen any confirmation that No 1 had been chosen, tacit or otherwise until now.

Personally, i’d have loved 74 to be re born – the prospect of a Phoon in Tiger stripes…. sigh… sorry but I didnt consider the Hawk to be ‘Tiger’ material.

Still I have no doubt that a corner of a hangar will be clean and waiting on her arrival, and anyone daft enough to suggest she be sat outside will find themselves on a permanent posting to the Falklands counting penguins.

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By: viscount - 21st August 2012 at 11:46

Lincoln 7,

I know this question is getting very close to a long debated topic with entrenched viewpoints (eg the current data-plate rebuild “discussion”), but would it cost more to put a Spitfire such as LA255 which is currently essentially a complete airframe back into the air, or one which starts as a lump of twisted metal excavated from a crash-site? Either way theoretically (as she is clearly not up for sale), would the current value of a Spitfire such as LA255 be in the complete airframe (as is), in its historical heritage and connections, or in the potential as a rebuild project with proven provenance? Just wondering, ….. if indeed the question is answerable!

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By: l.garey - 21st August 2012 at 11:25

Hello Jim. You might almost have seen it on the A15 yourself! I was very pleased to do so. Thanks to everyone for all the interesting comments it has provoked!

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By: Lincoln 7 - 21st August 2012 at 11:19

pagen01.

James, it may never be a flyer, as the cost of a total restoration would be too costly, unless Lottery funding, a generous doner, or some Company, would be kind enough to foot the bill. Aircraft such as this, belong in the air, not as a static show piece, but thats just my opinion.
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By: pagen01 - 21st August 2012 at 10:40

Given that there is an appetite to fly any Spitfire with ‘Supermarine’ in the title, is there a reason why this one hasn’t been made a flyer?

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By: Mark12 - 21st August 2012 at 10:12

I’ve been told that the receipt that 1 Sqn paid for their Spit still exists but there was a worry that whey they were disbanded last year someone higher up the chain might try to get a few bob for it. Saw it last year stripped down and glad it’s returning to the Squadron.

Now the question is will it be a new scheme or the same as the old one?

Let us hope it is the correct one.

J-XU indeed. 😮

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By: inkworm - 21st August 2012 at 08:56

I’ve been told that the receipt that 1 Sqn paid for their Spit still exists but there was a worry that whey they were disbanded last year someone higher up the chain might try to get a few bob for it. Saw it last year stripped down and glad it’s returning to the Squadron.

Now the question is will it be a new scheme or the same as the old one?

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By: DCK - 20th August 2012 at 20:48

Ill-informed BBMF poster, it won’t be without shelter or anything like that.

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By: Robert Whitton - 20th August 2012 at 20:26

More likely to be kept inside.

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By: David Burke - 20th August 2012 at 20:19

No. 1 Squadron is reforming at Leuchars in September. The Squadron is then I believe scheduled to move to Lossiemouth on the closure of Leuchars.
The aircraft has always been stated as the property of the association.

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By: TwinOtter23 - 20th August 2012 at 18:54

It depends who you talk to!

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By: TonyT - 20th August 2012 at 18:48

Well it always used to be their gate guardian but was hangared as such and wheeled out for shows, belongs to the association does it not?

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By: pagen01 - 20th August 2012 at 18:44

Must admit that I thought Spitfires as gate guards wasn’t vogueish anymore.
Also, isn’t Leuchars still slated to close, inspite of 6 Sqdn Typhoons move there?

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By: DCK - 20th August 2012 at 18:37

Gate Guardian it was said on BBMF Facebook. Under shelter I hope? Not that keen on real Spits being gate guardians anywho.

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