January 7, 2012 at 3:13 pm
I was looking at a post on a modelling site and a guy on there mentioned AB412 and the fact that his father had a photo of him standing in front of said Spitfire.
Well a few of the guys quoted the Spitfire the history details and Spitfires.ukf.net details but as you do I went and double checked just to see if I could add anything. I had to correct them as they had given the line above 412’s details and infact quoted 411’s details however that is no matter we have all done this at some point.
What interested me was the details that read this
AB412 Vb 2493 M45 FF 13-1-42 5MU 25-1-42 Crosby Co 8-2-42 SS437 22-3-42 Middle East 1-7-42 145S FACB 20-8-42 Ditched on air test 12-11-42 SOC 8-12-42
Now the part I had never seen before was the part that says SS437. What is this. Its the first time I have seen this. Thinking about it I would think it relates to a Steam Ship but these normally have names and not numbers. Does anyone know which ship SS437 was and is there any details to find this out in future.
By: ap7218 - 31st August 2021 at 13:42
The numbers are just code numbers, the 600 series of codes for example identifying the Operation Torch vessels
SS620, 621 and 622 were part of convoy KX.2 and so were three of the following:Â Duke of Athens, Flowergate, Fort Senneville and Houston City
The SS and LS prefixes were used, I believe these stand for ‘Special service’ and ‘Liner Service’, the basis on which the vessels were chartered
By: jeepman - 8th January 2012 at 16:32
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Jeepman still knitting I see. 😉 Whats it going to be when its finished. 😀
A blanket to wrap up historically significant aircraft:diablo:
By: jeepman - 8th January 2012 at 16:32
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Jeepman still knitting I see. 😉 Whats it going to be when its finished. 😀
A blanket to wrap up historically significant aircraft:diablo:
By: Mark12 - 8th January 2012 at 14:33
Hi Mark,
Where does your R number come from? Obviously it still caries the 437 number so it may be different branches used different codes for the same thing.
I only quoted what it gave on the spitfire.ukf website but cross check it with Spitfire the history and that is the info that it also gave was SS 437.
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R 437 comes from the microfiche of the original movement card at the RAFMus.
Everybody makes there own interpretation of this hand written data.
A ‘find’ search on the movement card database reveals five other Spitfires bound for the Malta/Mid East so annotated.
R 440 and R 441 were also Malta bound.
Mark
By: Mark12 - 8th January 2012 at 14:33
Hi Mark,
Where does your R number come from? Obviously it still caries the 437 number so it may be different branches used different codes for the same thing.
I only quoted what it gave on the spitfire.ukf website but cross check it with Spitfire the history and that is the info that it also gave was SS 437.
.
R 437 comes from the microfiche of the original movement card at the RAFMus.
Everybody makes there own interpretation of this hand written data.
A ‘find’ search on the movement card database reveals five other Spitfires bound for the Malta/Mid East so annotated.
R 440 and R 441 were also Malta bound.
Mark
By: Merlin3945 - 8th January 2012 at 13:07
Hi Mark,
Where does your R number come from? Obviously it still caries the 437 number so it may be different branches used different codes for the same thing.
I only quoted what it gave on the spitfire.ukf website but cross check it with Spitfire the history and that is the info that it also gave was SS 437.
Honestly guys I have no real idea of what it all means hence why I asked the question. It is a little clearer now but just trying to dot the i’s and cross the t’s.
Jeepman still knitting I see. 😉 Whats it going to be when its finished. 😀
Jerry, That is a very good point it could well be.
Thanks for all your input guys. Do you ever get the feeling there is no real answer out there and only guess work.
I would love to find out eventually but you have all given me more than I could have hoped for already.
By: Merlin3945 - 8th January 2012 at 13:07
Hi Mark,
Where does your R number come from? Obviously it still caries the 437 number so it may be different branches used different codes for the same thing.
I only quoted what it gave on the spitfire.ukf website but cross check it with Spitfire the history and that is the info that it also gave was SS 437.
Honestly guys I have no real idea of what it all means hence why I asked the question. It is a little clearer now but just trying to dot the i’s and cross the t’s.
Jeepman still knitting I see. 😉 Whats it going to be when its finished. 😀
Jerry, That is a very good point it could well be.
Thanks for all your input guys. Do you ever get the feeling there is no real answer out there and only guess work.
I would love to find out eventually but you have all given me more than I could have hoped for already.
By: brewerjerry - 8th January 2012 at 03:00
Hi
I originally thought steam ship, but someone once told me maybe it could be ‘sea shipment’.
Cheers
Jerry
By: brewerjerry - 8th January 2012 at 03:00
Hi
I originally thought steam ship, but someone once told me maybe it could be ‘sea shipment’.
Cheers
Jerry
By: Mark12 - 7th January 2012 at 19:18
Is that the one Mark, because the dates on the original post preempt the one on yours….or are they not build dates?
Possibly a question on a boaty type forum would nail it for you…
Perhaps it could be that on my transcription of the movement card of AB412 it doesn’t read SS 437. It reads R 437. 🙂
Mark
By: Mark12 - 7th January 2012 at 19:18
Is that the one Mark, because the dates on the original post preempt the one on yours….or are they not build dates?
Possibly a question on a boaty type forum would nail it for you…
Perhaps it could be that on my transcription of the movement card of AB412 it doesn’t read SS 437. It reads R 437. 🙂
Mark
By: jeepman - 7th January 2012 at 18:57
A possibility perhaps:
Convoy OS23 left Liverpool for Freetown, Sierra Leone on Tuesday 24th March 1942. I seem to recall reading somewhere that some planes intended for the Middle East were routed through West Africa and then flown onwards.
It was possible to get this far using the Wikipaedia entry for “British Convoy Codes” and the Arnold Hague Ports Database website (searched for convoys leaving Liverpool (assumed Liverpool because of the reference to Crosby) on or around 22nd March 1942 heading in the right general direction). The Arnold Hague Ports database also lists all the ships in convoy OS23 so that narrows the search down a bit…..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_convoy_codes
http://www.convoyweb.org.uk/port/index.html?home.php~armain
It’s amazing what you can find on t’internet
I’ll get back to my knitting now
By: jeepman - 7th January 2012 at 18:57
A possibility perhaps:
Convoy OS23 left Liverpool for Freetown, Sierra Leone on Tuesday 24th March 1942. I seem to recall reading somewhere that some planes intended for the Middle East were routed through West Africa and then flown onwards.
It was possible to get this far using the Wikipaedia entry for “British Convoy Codes” and the Arnold Hague Ports Database website (searched for convoys leaving Liverpool (assumed Liverpool because of the reference to Crosby) on or around 22nd March 1942 heading in the right general direction). The Arnold Hague Ports database also lists all the ships in convoy OS23 so that narrows the search down a bit…..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_convoy_codes
http://www.convoyweb.org.uk/port/index.html?home.php~armain
It’s amazing what you can find on t’internet
I’ll get back to my knitting now
By: TonyT - 7th January 2012 at 18:44
Is that the one Mark, because the dates on the original post preempt the one on yours….or are they not build dates?
Possibly a question on a boaty type forum would nail it for you…
By: TonyT - 7th January 2012 at 18:44
Is that the one Mark, because the dates on the original post preempt the one on yours….or are they not build dates?
Possibly a question on a boaty type forum would nail it for you…
By: Mark12 - 7th January 2012 at 18:20
Liberty Ship
SS Robert T. Lincoln Robert T. Lincoln 437 standard 01942-10-28 28 October 1942 01942-12-07 7 December 1942 To U.S. Navy as Aludra (AK-72), torpedoed and lost off Guadalcanal 1943
Mark
By: Mark12 - 7th January 2012 at 18:20
Liberty Ship
SS Robert T. Lincoln Robert T. Lincoln 437 standard 01942-10-28 28 October 1942 01942-12-07 7 December 1942 To U.S. Navy as Aludra (AK-72), torpedoed and lost off Guadalcanal 1943
Mark
By: Merlin3945 - 7th January 2012 at 18:04
It is possible I suppose but seeing SS makes me think of Steam Ship which is the usual abbreviation.
It would seem that this is the case but where the numbers come in yet I have no idea.
Hopefully get a name somehow.
By: Merlin3945 - 7th January 2012 at 18:04
It is possible I suppose but seeing SS makes me think of Steam Ship which is the usual abbreviation.
It would seem that this is the case but where the numbers come in yet I have no idea.
Hopefully get a name somehow.
By: jeepman - 7th January 2012 at 17:58
Could it be a convoy number – like PQ17?