February 6, 2013 at 2:50 pm
this is probably best aimed at our resident Spitfire specialist, if one was to try and build a collection of kits of the varying different models/marks of spitfires, seafires would this be about right. 38 kits which i came up with by adding up the following types and configurations
SPITFIRE I,
SPEED SPITFIRE,
SPITFIRE II,
SPITFIRE III retractable tail-wheel, clipped wings, a redesigned front windscreen and a slightly longer fuselage. The Mk III also had extra panels which fully covered the undercarriage when retracted
SPITFIRE V The V came with three different armament fittings : VA had eight Browning machine guns, VB had two cannons and four machine guns , VC introduced four 20mm cannons. Some mark Vs had “clipped” wings able to take a drop tank equipped to take bombs
Mk V FLOATPLANE
SPITFIRE VI driving a four bladed propeller wings extended to end in pointed wing-tips
SPITFIRE VII added a retractable tail-wheel. Many had a pointed tail-fin The new Merlin introduced two equal sized radiators
SPITFIRE VIIII had a retractable tail-wheel, pointed rudder and a neat tropical filter, The FVIII was the normal fighter version, The LFVIII was a low altitude version with clipped wintips, HFVIII was optimised for high altitude with extended wing- tips
SPITFIRE IX The IX came in versions for low altitude combat with clipped wings and for high altitude with extended wing-tips as well as the mass-produced normal fighter version
SPITFIRE X retracting tail-wheel and pointed tail No armament fitted, (One was fitted with extended wing-tips).
SPITFIRE XI Tropical equipment was fitted as standard
SPITFIRE XII clipped wings pointed tail-fins XII had asymmetrical radiators
SPITFIRE XIII The XIII was only fitted with 4 machine guns provision for drop-tanks
SPITFIRE XIV five bladed propelle r fin and rudder of larger area symmetrical radiators under the wings MK XIV could carry a 250 or 500 lb bomb under the fuselage and two 250 lb bombs under the wings.
SPITFIRE XVI Teardrop cockpit canopies or extended wings. A four bladed airscrew was fitted
SPITFIRE XVIII
SPITFIRE XIX. No armament was fitted (It was a XIX that flew the last Spitfire sortie with the R.A.F. in 1954)
SPITFIRE XX (The single Spitfire IV was renamed the XX when it was rebuilt with parts from the prototype XII.)
SPITFIRE 21 the Mk 21 the elliptical wing gave way to a new one with blunted tips and changes to the flaps and ailerons The wheels were now fully covered by undercarriage doors in flight five bladed prop, a few with six blades in two sets of three rotating in different directions
SPITFIRE 22. Mk 21 with teardrop hood and cut back rear fuselage
SPITFIRE 23 (never produced)
SPITFIRE 24 24 had the big “Spiteful” tail
SEAFIRE I B All the Seafire IBs were conversions of existing Spitfire VBs.
SEAFIRE II C four bladed propeller conversion of the Spitfire Mk V this time the Spitfire VB provision for a bomb under each wing
SEAFIRE III conversion of the Spitfire Mk V four bladed propeller and folding wings The wing folded upwards just inboard of the cannon and the tips folded down six individual exhaust stacks on each side of the nose rather than the groups of three collector pipes
SEAFIRE XV retracting tailwheel and larger tail of the Spitfire VIII It had folding wings The XV could carry a 500lb bomb
SEAFIRE XVII or MK17. The XVII was very similar to the XV
SEAFIRE 45. The Seafire 45 was the Spitfire 21 in naval guise The new type 21 wing was kept and did not fold
SEAFIRE 46.The same as the 45 except it now had the teardrop cockpit canopy. Some were fitted with the big Spiteful tail
SEAFIRE 47. The Seafire 47 had folding wings was fitted with contra-rotating propellers
I know its a big ask but if anyone could see if im about right that would be appreciated
thanks in anticipation
By: MattCooke - 6th February 2013 at 22:37
I think, at my peak, I had about 100 models hanging from the ceiling. None of them especially well-made etc, but they looked good to me at the time! 😮
Exactly the same for me! A lot of them have long since been thrown out
but I still have my very first one that I made with my dad =D an F16 I think it is
By: DazDaMan - 6th February 2013 at 22:28
I think, at my peak, I had about 100 models hanging from the ceiling. None of them especially well-made etc, but they looked good to me at the time! 😮
By: MattCooke - 6th February 2013 at 22:16
Amazing collection! there’s a guy that displays his 1/72 models at Model World, Brighton, and they’re ALL battle of britain era, there must be nearly 200 at least both english & german
and every single plane has a little card with the pilot(s) who flew it and the squadron and airfieldand year.
Incredible.
By: DaveF68 - 6th February 2013 at 21:42
Holyyyyyy *insert inanimate object here*
One can only imagine the hassle of keeping that lot dust-free 😉
amazing! I don’t know if I’d have the will power to do THAT many especially in that small fiddly scale, kudos! I wonder if he built them like a production line
Raul and his son Santiago post on this forum – he has a fantastic collection of British WW2 aircraft, and he has some nice glass fronted shelves!
By: DazDaMan - 6th February 2013 at 21:38
Early Spitfire XIs also had rounded rudders….
By: jbs - 6th February 2013 at 20:43
I’m not mark12, but here’s a clipped winged VIII:
Many thanks for the correction Collis
I knew I was tempting fate :rolleyes:
By: pagen01 - 6th February 2013 at 19:48
I don’t think that we’ve ever had it so good for modelling the Spitfire, I had a quick look at what is available recently and I was amazed, especially in 1:48th. Some of the more recent Airfix releases, especially of the Seafire and later marks has helped, and sit nicely with the established Tamiya etc kits.
As someone else has mentioned, the Trumpeter Spiteful and Seafang round the lineage of well.
Apart from the variants listed above, don’t forget the obligatory ‘what ifs’!
By: DazDaMan - 6th February 2013 at 18:59
To add to the confusion, the Spitfire VII was often fitted with normal rounded wingtips in service. Both the VI and VII had a pressurised cockpit, with an intake for the blower located on the engine cowling (port-side, I think).
Also, I haven’t looked at my Spitfire books for a while, but I *think* the differences between the Spitfire 22 and 24 were the amount of fuel carried by the 24, as well as the electrical system.
By: FRANCISCO - 6th February 2013 at 18:56
Hi Chris
Good luck with the 1:48 Spitfire quest, I started out on the same road nearly five years ago and I certainly agree with your list showing the main visual characteristics of the various Spitfire and Seafire marks.
I set out to have a collection that showed as many of those features as possible, so at least one has a 2-blade prop., at least one has a tropical filter, at least one has extended wing tips, etc. I decided to complicate things by planning to model at least one of each air arm that operated the type. ( I make that 27 by the way, when counting naval arms such as the FAA and Aeronavale separately).
Five years on I have 48 completed models in a showcase and at least 9 more to go!
By: MattCooke - 6th February 2013 at 18:27
Holyyyyyy *insert inanimate object here*
One can only imagine the hassle of keeping that lot dust-free 😉
amazing! I don’t know if I’d have the will power to do THAT many especially in that small fiddly scale, kudos! I wonder if he built them like a production line
By: alohha1234 - 6th February 2013 at 17:36
Well thanks for the help people. The original information came from looking at this web site http://freespace.virgin.net/john.dell/index.htm
further looking around i found this chap http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2003/11/stuff_eng_hrubisko_spitfire.htm he has made it 111 😮 mmmmmmmmmm me thinks ile just do one of each mark ? :rolleyes:
By: Collis - 6th February 2013 at 17:13
Another thought,
Mk.VIII – did not have clipped wings (unless Mark12 tells me differently!!)
Mk.VIII – JF299 – had a low back fuselage
I’m not mark12, but here’s a clipped winged VIII:
By: Supermarine305 - 6th February 2013 at 16:50
I think you’ll find the Mk.23 Valiant was produced, albeit in only prototype form (PP139).
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If you want to make a kit version you’ll be best to start with the Mk 21 (like they did with the real thing). Raise the leading edge of the wings two scale inches (if you want). Add a bigger tail (thanks Dave) and finally add extended wingtips. Been pondering this as a model for a while. Just the surprising lack of affordable starter Spitfire kits out there has been a stumbling block.
I have often seen Mk XII conversion kits on Ebay. And also you are forgetting Trumpeter’s new Spiteful and Seafang kits.
By: jbs - 6th February 2013 at 16:46
Another thought,
Mk.VIII – did not have clipped wings (unless Mark12 tells me differently!!)
Mk.VIII – JF299 – had a low back fuselage
By: MattCooke - 6th February 2013 at 16:31
When I was bulding model Aircraft regulary I started Collecting 1/48 Model Spitfires to try and do as many variations as possible
It’s difficult because NEARLY every model spitfire made is a I, V, IX or XVI
i know there others around
I do plan on returning to it one day, don’t have the space in my current shared house
I think my current colleciton stands at
Early 2 bladed Mk. I
Late Mk. I
Vb
Vc
Seafire (III?)
VIII
IX
A PR Blue…. IX? I think
XVI
an all black with gold nose (XVI ?)
F.24
and One other that I forget, they live at my parents’ house , I know there’s 12 of them aha
By: DaveF68 - 6th February 2013 at 16:18
Having considered this several times in the past, it’s a grand project! There is often a lot of differences within marks, so the mk I and II could have machine gun (a) or (b) cannon wings
You also have the Recce Spits, which started as variants of the mk I (Type A, B, C , D, G etc) but also later had the mk IV designation applied.
There was also a mk IX floatplane
And don’t forget the two seaters!
A couple of comments on your points:
SPITFIRE VII added a retractable tail-wheel. Many had a pointed tail-fin The new Merlin introduced two equal sized radiators
And a longer nose
SPITFIRE IX The IX came in versions for low altitude combat with clipped wings and for high altitude with extended wing-tips as well as the mass-produced normal fighter version
You also had high/low back aircraft and aircraft with blunt and pointed fins.
SPITFIRE XVI Teardrop cockpit canopies or extended wings. A four bladed airscrew was fitted
Early XVIs had high backed fuselages
SPITFIRE 22. Mk 21 with teardrop hood and cut back rear fuselage
SPITFIRE 24 24 had the big “Spiteful” tail
I’m pretty sure both the 23 and 24 had the big fin – main difference between the two was the cannon barrel lengths and teh size of the prop IIRC
SEAFIRE XV retracting tailwheel and larger tail of the Spitfire VIII It had folding wings The XV could carry a 500lb bomb
SEAFIRE XVII or MK17. The XVII was very similar to the XV
The 17 had the teardrop canopy and low back.
I can recommend the following site:
By: BDM - 6th February 2013 at 15:32
Off the top of mine,
Early Mk.I (wooden 2-bladed fixed-pitch prop, straight cockpit hood, long aerial mast, ee.)
Late Mk.I (metal 3-bladed variable-pitch DH or Rotol prop, bulged hood)
Cannon-armed Mk.I (two 20mm cannon, no .303 brownings)
Early high-back Mk. IX (short intake fairing, early rudder, C-type armament)
Late high-back Mk. IX (long filter intake fairing, broad-chord rudder, e-type armament, i.e. 2x 20mm Hispanos in the outboard gunbay, 2x .50 Browning in inner bay)
By: jbs - 6th February 2013 at 15:04
Off the top of my head,
Mk.IX – High and Low back versions
Mk.XIV – High and Low back versions