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Spitfire Survivors list – 1960

SMS88, on the Singapore Spitfire thread, has requested the full list be visible from Bruce Robertson’s Census, first published in 1960.

The second printing in 1961 corrected some of the errors.

In a reprint in 1973 I further updated the listing…and it has changed a lot in the following 36 years.

It is difficult to believe how we had to gather all this stuff by letter writing in those days.

Like paint drying to the ‘Shuttleworth mafia’…. but discuss. 🙂

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By: DaveF68 - 1st May 2009 at 12:15

So Biggin Hill was just about the last RAF station to scrap Spitfires kept for parts for flyers like Thum and the embryo BBMF……..

Except for:

TB382 – SOC

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By: VoyTech - 30th April 2009 at 12:41

I learnt only this week The College of Aeronautical Engineering at Redhill had a Mk V EP509, the Brooklands tie-up.

So what happened to it? (Please, excuse my ignorance.)
Here it is at Horne on 3 June 1944.

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By: Cees Broere - 30th April 2009 at 10:55

With a weekly update included?:p

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By: Mark12 - 30th April 2009 at 10:51

Surviving Spitfires.

I reckon there’s a book in there somewhere. 🙂

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By: Mark12 - 30th April 2009 at 09:50

Would Mk XVI’s have been much use for spares supply for the THUM PR XIX’s?

No, not really. They were there to support TE330, SL574 and TE476, all recently restored to flight status from their ground duties.

I think we can assume reasonably that the THUM Mk XIX’s would have come with their operating spares package from the Met Flight.

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By: D1566 - 30th April 2009 at 09:35

Would Mk XVI’s have been much use for spares supply for the THUM PR XIX’s?

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By: Dan Johnson - 30th April 2009 at 09:02

Dan,

See post 44 here:-

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1336182

ATC – Air Training Corps – Cadets.

Kingstanding – A local area in Birmingham, UK.

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Interesting. MB855 seems to have never made it to either 41 or 91 squadrons. Wonder where her bits ended up. Ahh to have a Spit XII in the garage 🙂

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By: Mark12 - 30th April 2009 at 06:41

Thankyou Mark for sharing:)
I can see a few identities that were later revised and a couple that have since been scrapped – So Biggin Hill was just about the last RAF station to scrap Spitfires kept for parts for flyers like Thum and the embryo BBMF……..
This list reminds me of that 1950s Hurricane picture thread from last year showing the parts donors including a white one with a fine war record…….. So sad that a few dozen Spits,Hurricanes,Beaufighters and Mosquitos were well cared for a treasured by some on their airfields to survive in good shape until 1960 only to be scrapped……..

Not Biggin Hill. They moved the spares source Spitfire airframes, all Mk XVI’s to Martlesham Heath c1959. TB287 and TB308 ended up on the dump at 71 MU Bicester. A photo of a Spitfire under a tarp at Martlesham is thought to be either SL718 or TE464…and never seen again…unless you know…

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By: Mark12 - 30th April 2009 at 06:32

Kingstanding Mk XII? Care to elaborate? Never heard that story

Dan,

See post 44 here:-

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1336182

ATC – Air Training Corps – Cadets.

Kingstanding – A local area in Birmingham, UK.

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By: Dan Johnson - 30th April 2009 at 05:03

I think Airfix magazine also put out a composite list from reader inputs. I remember the Kingstanding Mk XII being of particular interest. Nothing has since surfaced on that one over 40 years….unless you know…

I learnt only this week The College of Aeronautical Engineering at Redhill had a Mk V EP509, the Brooklands tie-up.

Keep looking. 🙂

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Kingstanding Mk XII? Care to elaborate? Never heard that story

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By: Consul - 29th April 2009 at 23:17

I think Airfix magazine also put out a composite list from reader inputs. I remember the Kingstanding Mk XII being of particular interest. Nothing has since surfaced on that one over 40 years….unless you know…

I learnt only this week The College of Aeronautical Engineering at Redhill had a Mk V EP509, the Brooklands tie-up.

Keep looking. 🙂

Mark.

I had an Aunt who lived in Kingstanding and, when visiting her in the early 60s, knowing I was interested in old aircraft she mentioned this Spitfire. I duly went to the local ATC site in great expectation, but simply found a prop.:mad:

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By: SMS88 - 29th April 2009 at 22:36

Much appreciate the updates – fascinating, thanks. I presume that ‘Lost’ covers a multitude of fates?

No- all were scrapped!
Is there a similar list covering the Seafires I wonder?? When in the late 1950s did they destroy all those cocooned 47s??

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By: D1566 - 29th April 2009 at 21:45

Much appreciate the updates – fascinating, thanks. I presume that ‘Lost’ covers a multitude of fates?

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By: Mark12 - 29th April 2009 at 20:43

Interesting list – I wonder if a similar list from Flight Magazine in 1976 can be found and posted??

I think Airfix magazine also put out a composite list from reader inputs. I remember the Kingstanding Mk XII being of particular interest. Nothing has since surfaced on that one over 40 years….unless you know…

I learnt only this week The College of Aeronautical Engineering at Redhill had a Mk V EP509, the Brooklands tie-up.

Keep looking. 🙂

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By: paulmcmillan - 29th April 2009 at 20:31

Interesting list – I wonder if a similar list from Flight Magazine in 1976 can be found and posted??

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By: paulmcmillan - 29th April 2009 at 17:23

RM737 – Lost
SL718 – Lost
SM997 – Lost
TB308 – Lost
TE464 – Lost
TP205 – Lost

“Busy seaching of various fire dumps begins”

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By: jbs - 29th April 2009 at 16:07

I suspect that TB242(To russia) was a miss-ident of TB252…Odiham to Acklington move at this time.

Fair comment 🙂

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By: Mark12 - 29th April 2009 at 16:00

I have only listed the ones from the list above that have either been lost or have since been proven to actually be another machine,

AB871 (actually BL614) – Extant, RAF Museum, Hendon
BS464 – Destroyed in fire, Le Bourget
PL375 (actually MA298) – Extant, Danmarks Flyvemuseum, Stauning, Denmark
RM737 – Lost
RW893 (actually RW393) – Extant, RAF Museum Store, Stafford
SL718 – Lost
SM997 – Lost
TB242 – Lost
TB308 – Lost
TB382 – SOC
TE353 (actually TE214) – Extant, Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
TE464 – Lost
TP205 – Lost
Unknown at RAF Bridgnorth (actually AR614) – Extant, Flying Heritage Collection, Seattle
Mk.IX UB431 (RAF serial unknown) – Severely damaged, remains strongly believed to form part of a crash diorama in Burmese museum
Mk.IX SAAF 5501 (actually Mk.VIII JF294) – Extant, Johannesburg SA
Mk.XIV in Brussels (actually MV246) – Extant, Musee Royal d’Armee et d’Historie Militaire, Brussels
Mk.IX in Schipol (actually MJ143) – Extant, Militaire Luchvaart Museum, Soesterberg AB, Netherlands

Hope this is of interest 🙂

I suspect that TB242(To russia) was a miss-ident of TB252…Odiham to Acklington move at this time.

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By: jbs - 29th April 2009 at 15:50

Could someone please identify the changes/losses for those of us not in the know?

I have only listed the ones from the list above that have either been lost or have since been proven to actually be another machine,

AB871 (actually BL614) – Extant, RAF Museum, Hendon
BS464 – Destroyed in fire, Le Bourget
PL375 (actually MA298) – Extant, Danmarks Flyvemuseum, Stauning, Denmark
RM737 – Lost
RW893 (actually RW393) – Extant, RAF Museum Store, Stafford
SL718 – Lost
SM997 – Lost
TB242 – Lost
TB308 – Lost
TB382 – SOC
TE353 (actually TE214) – Extant, Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
TE464 – Lost
TP205 – Lost
Unknown at RAF Bridgnorth (actually AR614) – Extant, Flying Heritage Collection, Seattle
Mk.IX UB431 (RAF serial unknown) – Severely damaged, remains strongly believed to form part of a crash diorama in Burmese museum
Mk.IX SAAF 5501 (actually Mk.VIII JF294) – Extant, Johannesburg SA
Mk.XIV in Brussels (actually MV246) – Extant, Musee Royal d’Armee et d’Historie Militaire, Brussels
Mk.IX in Schipol (actually MJ143) – Extant, Militaire Luchvaart Museum, Soesterberg AB, Netherlands

Hope this is of interest 🙂

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