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Spitfire TB252…but what location? Help please.

I was delighted to receive over the weekend a very interesting shot of TB252 in a ‘weathered’ livery. It is a must for inclusion in Vol.II of ‘the book’.

In preparing the caption the puzzle is the location.

The principal options are:-

1) As arrived at RAF Odiham circa September 1955 and before repaint all silver and display as the gate guard.

2) 33MU Lyneham February 1953 to September 1955.

3) Old Sarum post January 1949. Possibly for fire crew training

The aircraft seems to be parked in the road / hard standing in front of MT garages or perhaps even the fire station. Note the gas cylinders on the RHS.

Does anybody please recognise any of the geography/architecture.

Mark

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By: pagen01 - 5th January 2011 at 07:46

No, no no, it’s first evidence of Spitfire night fighters wearing RM2 DA ‘Special Night’. :p

Would that be RAF ‘Special Night Type S’, as opposed to ‘Special Night’ admiralty type?!:D

Thanks for the clarification of the building uses TonyT.

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By: TonyT - 5th January 2011 at 02:55

Yup would agree it is Odious, Building to the right is main Stores, building in pic behind the garages is the Sgts Mess Annex, the garages were used as bottle stores when I was there if the old memory is still working, the new building to the left on the corner of the hangar (ASF) was the rotor blade bay put up for the chinooks intro, hangar on right Was 230 Sqn Pumas which we took over as 240 OCU Chinooks and the 240 OCU pumas followed us into it.

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By: northeagle - 4th January 2011 at 23:52

All these blacked out Spitfires are so 20th century. Can’t we have some pixellitated 21st century ones

This one is Acklington 1958. The other one posted was Acklington c 1960. Funny marks in the sky is my hand writing on the back, sadly in ink.

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By: JDK - 4th January 2011 at 23:33

All these blacked out Spitfires are so 20th century. Can’t we have some pixellitated 21st century ones

No, no no, it’s first evidence of Spitfire night fighters wearing RM2 DA ‘Special Night’. :p

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By: paulmcmillan - 4th January 2011 at 23:05

All these blacked out Spitfires are so 20th century. Can’t we have some pixellitated 21st century ones

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By: pagen01 - 4th January 2011 at 23:03

…and the left hand picture is…a real gem if it is TB252.

‘fraid not, sorry:o
Original image here if of interest, http://www.bommeltje.nl/grave/127-416.jpg

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By: Alan Key - 4th January 2011 at 22:48

The later extension of the building to the right would also explain the tree issue – it must have been cut down.

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By: Mark12 - 4th January 2011 at 22:42

The right hand picture was when it was at RAF Acklington.

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…and the left hand picture is…a real gem if it is TB252. 🙂

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By: Chris D - 4th January 2011 at 22:18

The right hand picture was when it was at RAF Acklington.

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By: pagen01 - 4th January 2011 at 19:52

You’ve probably seen these fine pics of said machine in action before then Mk.12?:D

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By: Mark V - 4th January 2011 at 17:15

With my Architects hat on – I would very much agree with Pagen’s suggestion of Odiham – based mainly on the matching buildings in the background and their relationship with the tanker building. Certainly beyond reasonable doubt given the evidence.

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By: Mark12 - 4th January 2011 at 16:24

This is great.

The image is full frame as received and uncropped.

There are so many points of exact match that for me it is beyond reasonable doubt – RAF Odiham, shortly after arrival in 1955.

The only point that I can see of miss-match is the right hand kerb with the current building….but look at the roof and the area of lighter tiles. Surely an indication of an extension to the building in the subsequent 55 years,

Many thanks to all. It is most appreciated. 🙂

Mark

Points of perfect match.
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By: pagen01 - 4th January 2011 at 15:57

There is another thing, the building immediately to the right of the shed is a standard RAF Main Workshops but there is a distinctly non standard westerly extension on it.
It looks to me like the extension intrudes partly onto the grass and curb area that we can see in Mark12s shot. There is a chance that this could have been built since the photo was take.
Also look at the footpath to the left, it even dog legs in the same place as the sat images.

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By: pagen01 - 4th January 2011 at 15:23

The tree on the right is there on the link and GE images, my right hand dashed line goes right through it in the above image though. As are the trees to the left and the smaller one in front of the mess. Also allow for age and seasonal appearences.
The curved curb is not very well defined in the sat images and I believe is accentuated by the photographers position in the pic.

Just my opinion, but there are too many things that do match up, especially when you factor in the architecture, there arn’t many tanker sheds anywhere with that style of building behind.

I have thought this one through:rolleyes:

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By: pagen01 - 4th January 2011 at 14:32

That shed looks to me like a three bay protected Petrol Tanker Shed (as opposed to MT yard sheds) of the type that usually appeared in pairs, each sited near a hangar.
The architecture is expansion scheme so that definitely rules out Old Sarum.
My hunch from the general ‘look’ of the place is Odiham and I think it is here, http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.24009&lon=-0.948656&z=18.7&r=0&src=mslThe
The photographer would be standing where the cursor is and looking north, notice the building (sgts mess?) in the background of the pic, with the taller two storey section with hipped pitched roof with single storey wings, this also appears north of the sheds in the link.
Trees, the road to the left, and the footpath on the right all seem to be in the right place. It is also a good place to park the Spit if it had just been pulled out of the centre hangar.
Google Earth is clearer but don’t know how to link it.

Edit, this should help explain what I’m babbling on about!

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a82/pagen/odih.jpg

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By: Tony Kearns - 4th January 2011 at 13:44

Obviously involved in some very dirty operations!

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By: SMS88 - 4th January 2011 at 13:27

😮 this photo should be on the haunted airfields thread :diablo:

Any firetrucks inside those sheds wouldnt be able to get out very fast in an emergency so it does look like MT sheds

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By: northeagle - 4th January 2011 at 12:30

Why are all the lines wavy….around rudder, spinner, aerial, prop blades etc? Its been blacked out apart, that is, from the tail wheel and a slight patch on one tyre.

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By: trumper - 4th January 2011 at 11:44

😮 The stealth Spitfire

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By: mark_pilkington - 4th January 2011 at 10:36

It must have been located very near an old dirty powerstation or large coal mine as the poor old Spit seems to be covered from head to toe in thick black soot.

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Mark Pilkington

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