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Stirling N3564

I am trying to trace the family of 3 of the crew of Stirling N3654 which crashed in Holland in 1944. They are:

Wg Cdr Herbert Reginald Dale
Pilot Officer Peter Reginald Stephenson Bird
Sergeant Norman Howarth Nuttall

Unfortunaltely I cannot let you know why I need this information at this time however, it is an official capacity. Please contact me if you have any information.

Thank you

Sue 🙂

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By: cas2 - 29th October 2003 at 14:01

I know that Stirling N3654 was excavated in Sep this year and that remains were found of the crew. However, to date only 4 of the crews Next of Kin have been traced and we would like the 3 other including Wg Cdr Dale, who already has a known grave, to be found. Pilot Officer Bird and Sgt Nuttall came from the Gainsborough and Blackburn areas respectively and Wg cdr Dale from Moulton Yorks and Long Parish Hants. Anyone who knew them or their families please contact me. I would love to correspond with them.

I work for the MoD and this is a new way for me to hopefully trace the families. Any help would be very appreciated.

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By: mmitch - 26th October 2003 at 14:41

I have long admired the efforts of the Aircraft Recovery Group in recovering the remains of our aircrew.
Some governments including our own do not encourage it even when the location is known.
I do feel however that we should give the MOD any help we can in locating relatives. I have spent many hours trying to piece together my family tree, With the mobility of people since the war whole families can have disappeared from their last known location. Several threads recently have produced info and photos from people who were friends or neighbours.
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By: HP57 - 26th October 2003 at 11:07

Thanks Elliott,

In that case, why does the MOD ask for information on this forum when they can have all the info they need through the official channels. The Dutch MOD has access to all information we have, and we have given all the addresses of the next of kin to them.

It’s so very simple, OK, we are civilians, but we do know what we are talking about and if the British and Dutch Gouvernment doesn’t want to do this important task, then it is up to us private individuals to do their work without being paid for it as well. Yesterday, the only survivor as well as the next of kin of the five missing crewmembers of a 300 squadron Lancaster, who were present at the official burial ceremony after having been posted missing for 59 years, know now.

I apologize to anyone on this board if some of my posts may sound a bit aggressive now and them but this is what I and my fellow collegues believe in, and should not be taken lightly.

Cheers

Cees Broere
Aircraft Recovery Group 1940-1945
www.arg1940-1945.nl

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By: Whitley_Project - 25th October 2003 at 15:59

It’s the MoD Cees 🙂

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By: HP57 - 25th October 2003 at 15:52

Hello there, might I ask you in what sense you wish to contact these families?

This particular airframe has been recovered through the actions taken by our organisation Aicraft Recovery Group 1940-1945 based at Heemskerk, Holland.

Over a periode of some three years we have established contact with the majority of the next of kin of the six missing persons involved. Some weeks ago all six missing persons were recovered. One of the next of kin, the nephew of crewmember Campbell from New Zealand was present when the body of his uncle was found and identified immediately when his gloves with his name inside were found next to him. If you wish to have more information you can contact me directly and I will forward your message to our chairman who was mainly involved with this particular investigation.

Does FlyPast know that a lot of things have happened this year in Holland regarding recoveries (three) where missing persons (eleven) were found. Today was the official burial of five Polish crewmembers from a RAF Lancaster that was recovered due to actions taken by our foundation as well.

Hope this helps

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By: Whitley_Project - 25th October 2003 at 15:32

Hi Sue

Do you have any more information? What were their home towns? Just the names is a bit of a longshot.

Elliott

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