Stress when flying: r Weaver

How’s that!! Now you have to delete yours!

Martin

Your not helping matters are you?
Dont make me close this one too 🙂

Crazymainer: You are not wrong, but do bear in mind, Rob is a low hour student. It is quite possible that the instructor had him concentrating intensely on just the VOR lesson for an hour.

A good instructor will realise that this is tiring for a student and may well have relieved him of his spacial awareness duties, in the name of safety. All things in good time. I’m sure there will be many opportunities to concentrate on that another time.

My concern is him absorbing the failings (stressful talk) of those around him who are more experienced.

Hi Janie,

Thanks, I hope this was just a one time incedent with the instructor and as some other folks have state I might have been a tad hard on the instructor in my post and I want it to be clear that I wasn’t slamming the instructor in anyway.

Mr. Weaver this is not meant to be a slam on you but you really need to think about cockpit managment before during and after your flight. That is why all military pilots have breifs before hand and de-briefs after, that is also why and Janie please correct me if I’m wrong but most Warbird Pilots(I know I do) have de-briefs after flying. You and your instructor should be doing de-briefs after each of your flight to go over the major points of the leason and to highlight areas of conceren, in this case the Twin Beech incedent.

Cheers
RER

If this turns into another slanging fest then this will be closed also 🙂

Deano was probably right to close it, R had succeded in winding people up again and everyone was whipping up into a feeding frenzy.

I think that the Instructor, Ron, (I haven’t met him by the way) is getting a bit of a slamming from several people here. If he did what R is indicating then rightly so but it has been mentioned that R may just make a mountain out of a mole hill.

What I would suggest to bring this to a close is this,

We know the airfield, date, rough time (it was the second from last flight at that school), type of aircraft involved, name of the instructor (who also apparently owns the school) and other details from R’s posts.

I suggest that a local forum member drops into the school and talks to Ron, then ATC and get their take on the incident. Failing that someone could ring them or at the last resort I may be up there on business in about 10 days and I’ll drop in.

That should sort things out and clear this poor instructors name as I suspect it is a case of ‘student talk’

What do you all think?

Crazymainer: You are not wrong, but do bear in mind, Rob is a low hour student. It is quite possible that the instructor had him concentrating intensely on just the VOR lesson for an hour.

A good instructor will realise that this is tiring for a student and may well have relieved him of his spacial awareness duties, in the name of safety. All things in good time. I’m sure there will be many opportunities to concentrate on that another time.

My concern is him absorbing the failings (stressful talk) of those around him who are more experienced.

Young Mr. Weaver,

One of the first things that military pilots are taught is Cockpit managment or to use Janie’s words cockpit stress.

More crash happen to the one and simple thing is the pilot lost cockpit managment, lets take the twin from your last flight, first a few question do you remember if the Twin or ATC ask them to extend their base to give you more time to clear the runway, second and this is the most important one when you did your roll out did you use the first avaible turn off or did you decide to use the one ATC gave you. The reason I ask this is because the twin might have been given different instruction then you where given. Now it seems to me that the pilots of the twin handle there cockpit managment the right way I’m guessing these pilots have a few more hours under there collective belt and most likely would have extend or as you said land a tad shorter. Oh by the way what type of Twin Beech was this and I’m sorry but I don’t remember what you where flying so unless you where flying a T-6 or better you should have been able to clear the active in due time for the Twin to cross the numbers.

I’m not trying to critize you Mr. Weaver but think about what you did in the cockpit and what was said between you and ATC and ground ATC and then think about how you could have handle it better you might also want to sit down and have a talk with your intsructor about what transpired. If your instructor doesn’t feel its something to talk about then I would be looking for a new instructor, cockpit managment is the most important thing your instructor can teach you.

End of Lecture 🙂 😀

Cheers
RER

That sir, was not a lecture. To my mind that was good sound advice.

Young Mr. Weaver,

One of the first things that military pilots are taught is Cockpit managment or to use Janie’s words cockpit stress.

More crash happen to the one and simple thing is the pilot lost cockpit managment, lets take the twin from your last flight, first a few question do you remember if the Twin or ATC ask them to extend their base to give you more time to clear the runway, second and this is the most important one when you did your roll out did you use the first avaible turn off or did you decide to use the one ATC gave you. The reason I ask this is because the twin might have been given different instruction then you where given. Now it seems to me that the pilots of the twin handle there cockpit managment the right way I’m guessing these pilots have a few more hours under there collective belt and most likely would have extend or as you said land a tad shorter. Oh by the way what type of Twin Beech was this and I’m sorry but I don’t remember what you where flying so unless you where flying a T-6 or better you should have been able to clear the active in due time for the Twin to cross the numbers.

I’m not trying to critize you Mr. Weaver but think about what you did in the cockpit and what was said between you and ATC and ground ATC and then think about how you could have handle it better you might also want to sit down and have a talk with your intsructor about what transpired. If your instructor doesn’t feel its something to talk about then I would be looking for a new instructor, cockpit managment is the most important thing your instructor can teach you.

End of Lecture 🙂 😀

Cheers
RER

If this turns into another slanging fest then this will be closed also 🙂