What was the Sud-Est Armagnac interior like?
The biggest planes in service in 1930-s were Boeing 307 and 314, both about 12,5 feet wide. The interior was normally 4 wide seats abreast by day with off-center aisle, on 3-1 configuration. At night, the wide side had berths across fuselage and, on 314, the narrow side had berths along fuselage.
The other 1940s, 1950-s propliners, Constellation, DC-6 and Boeing 377 had about 10 feet inside width. The interior wad normally 4 wide seats across, 2-2; the other possibilities were lengthwise berths on both sides or 5 narrow seats across after Pan Am invented Economy class. The 6 abreast Economy came with DC-8 and B707.
There were several huge planes built, but not in commercial service. Hughes Hercules was never ordered and flew only once. Lockheed Constitution did test flights, never ordered. Douglas C-124 was only in military use. Convair XC-99 was only in military use, no civil Convair 37 frames ordered. Bristol Brabazon did test flights, never ordered. Saunders-Roe Princess did test flights, never ordered.
But Sud-Est Armagnac actually did enter into service! It is 4,7 m wide. Air France order was cancelled, but a number of frames were built, sold second-hand and used. How were those planes fitted out?
By: chornedsnorkack - 6th November 2006 at 15:25
I know this threads concerns the aircraft’s interior – but no one has come up with a pic of the exterior.
Roger Smith.
An example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sud-Est_Armagnac.jpg
Observe that, as can be seen from the interior image as well, the windows are few and far between. There are wall seats, even though the pitch is presumably generous.
By: RPSmith - 6th November 2006 at 15:10
I know this threads concerns the aircraft’s interior – but no one has come up with a pic of the exterior.
Roger Smith.
By: chornedsnorkack - 6th November 2006 at 14:48
My first visit to LHR armed with my new I Allan Markings, Feb.1958. Emerged onto roof of Queen’s Building. First thing I see, nose in, was a SAGETA Armagnac substituting for AF Viscount on maintenance. Never seen anything better there since.
Did you get inside, too?
By: alertken - 2nd November 2006 at 20:14
My first visit to LHR armed with my new I Allan Markings, Feb.1958. Emerged onto roof of Queen’s Building. First thing I see, nose in, was a SAGETA Armagnac substituting for AF Viscount on maintenance. Never seen anything better there since.
By: chornedsnorkack - 2nd November 2006 at 10:53
I don’t think anybody ever flew long haul in that one .The DH 66 possibly a different matter.
http://www.imperial-airways.com/De_havilland_dh66_hercules.html
845 km range, 177 km/h cruise speed. Sounds like under 5 hour endurance.
By: 25deg south - 2nd November 2006 at 10:44
I don’t think anybody ever flew long haul in that one .The DH 66 possibly a different matter.
By: chornedsnorkack - 2nd November 2006 at 10:32
Actually a hammock, sleeping bag and ear defenders are fairly standard items for those unfortunate enough to have to regularly travel long haul in the back end of a Herc.
Hercules?
How loud are those 8 engines? And how well-insulated is that mostly birch plywood fuselage?
The fuselage cross-section is something like 750 cm wide, 900 cm high.
Oh, I think there was only one flight, and not particularly long, either…
By: 25deg south - 2nd November 2006 at 10:18
Actually a hammock, sleeping bag and ear defenders are fairly standard items for those unfortunate enough to have to regularly travel long haul in the back end of a Herc.
By: chornedsnorkack - 2nd November 2006 at 09:53
Perhaps they weren’t bunks, but Air France weren’t able to introduce transverse hammocks.
Still it’s only a matter of time before the Low Cost airlines take up hammocks… 😀
There are planes now flying that accommodate three tiers of sleeper bunks. Let´s hope none of us has the misfortune to need to fly there:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1047546/L/
By: JDK - 2nd November 2006 at 09:31
Apparently so.
Perhaps they weren’t bunks, but Air France weren’t able to introduce transverse hammocks.
Still it’s only a matter of time before the Low Cost airlines take up hammocks… 😀
By: 25deg south - 2nd November 2006 at 09:20
Apparently so.
By: chornedsnorkack - 2nd November 2006 at 08:47
See attached. The large volume was originally to accomodate three tiers of sleeper bunks.
How were the bunks to be arranged? Across the fuselage on both sides?
By: 25deg south - 1st November 2006 at 10:24
See attached. The large volume was originally to accomodate three tiers of sleeper bunks. Apparently it was the removal of this requirement that caused Air France to cancel.
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