Sukhoi RRJ ?

Boeing has invested heavily in Russia and has an overhaul repair facility in Moscow from memory. The skills are there (but they were interested in the combination of skills and low wages of course).

I’ve seen a market forecast for the Superjet 100, saying 40% of sales (of a total 1000 over the production run) will be sold in North America. Dream on. I guess the traditional (Soviet) markets will buy this thing, but only with a good financial package. Embraer and Bombardier are two established players and even in the so-called emerging markets people prefer Western jets. Justified or not.

Re the original question: Yip, Boeing had some part in the design. But now it’s Alenia who is drugdrug. Politics.

As I understand it (alweays ready to stand corrected…I’m here to learn)
aside from any safety or comfort questions…the real reason Russian jetliners didn’t sell in the west is operating economics. Airlines operate to make money…if flying Russian aircraft would save them money, I’m sure they’d use them. After all, Air France and BA fly Boeing 777s and American Airlines and United (once partnered with Boeing) fly Airbus aircraft. Politics take a back seat to making/saving money.

In the old Soviet system, MMP/FH wasn’t a concern. I understand that engine TBOs were low, and fuel consumption high. I don’t claim to know about airframe hours before overhaul or major checks.

Also, Russian avionics were a concern…certifing any western retrofit would be expensive and negate some of the cost savings you’d get with a lower airframe price.

it seems ppl around the world still suspicious about russian (transport) planes conform (important for airliner) and probably past record on their ASS (after sales service)

After 50 years of them being painted a bad guy do you think it might have anything to do with stereotyping? I mean the UN and the US and even the UK seem happy to use Il-76s and An-124s and Mi-26s and Mi-8s and Mi-17s.

Seems to me that there have been more sales of the Yak-130 than of the Aermacci equivelent. Perhaps things will change, but I am not holding my breath.

garry, Actually I dont have bet sentiments toward russian plane…
the reason I asking because im curious why, unlike their fighter, it seems very difficult for Russian transporter to sell anywhere other than their traditional market….
The saddest thing for me is Il-96, which is AFAIK is as good as Airbus A-300 (or even better)…. but it fails anywhere even in Russia sell only few (probably due to 90s economic turmoil though)
it seems ppl around the world still suspicious about russian (transport) planes conform (important for airliner) and probably past record on their ASS (after sales service)

Russian fighters, as far as i am concerned also sell only in the traditional markets. India being a prime example, since India with being a close ally of Russia did not have any other option but to go with Russian jets in the past. All the countries that cannot afford western jets go with Russian makes, including numerous countries in Africa. No doubt that Russia makes good products, but still there markets are very numbered. Plus as fasr as i am concerned, US plays along with alot of beurocratic ambitions along with making defence deals with other countries, unlike Russia which has minimum beurocratic hands in a defence deal.

garry, Actually I dont have bet sentiments toward russian plane…
the reason I asking because im curious why, unlike their fighter, it seems very difficult for Russian transporter to sell anywhere other than their traditional market….
The saddest thing for me is Il-96, which is AFAIK is as good as Airbus A-300 (or even better)…. but it fails anywhere even in Russia sell only few (probably due to 90s economic turmoil though)
it seems ppl around the world still suspicious about russian (transport) planes conform (important for airliner) and probably past record on their ASS (after sales service)

will it finally Russia able to make transport plane on par (both on safety and conform) with western counterparts ?

What makes you think Russian transport aircraft have problems by design that make them less safe that western aircraft?
Would suggest that harsher environments and lack of money from proper maintainence would have far more impact in reliability than design faults. There are plenty of western designs that entered service with design faults that were fatal, yet when identified and remedied the problems seem to have gone away.

But then it is something western companies encourage because it is good for (their) business, but tell me has there been a sudden dramatic rise in safety in former soviet airlines that now operate western designed Airbus’s and Boeings?

Well, the RRJ is a very modern product out of Russia but it needs to be understood now that Russian aircrafts will never have that sale value. The TU 204 was again a very modern commercial airliner but is hardly a success, if i remember correctly the only “western” carrier to operate it was DHL.

I strongly believe that now, Russian aircrafts carry a taboo with them, because of the industries general safety record of the past. The RRJ has been seen as a good aircraft, for example India’s Jet Airways actually contemplated the RRJ for its fleet some time back, but did not go ahead with it fearing passenger reprival to travel on the RRJ. It was the first time i have seen personaly an airline taking such a decision.