October 22, 2023 at 1:54 pm
I note that the Science Museum has an ADC Cirrus Mk II on display but I was wondering what other ADC Cirrus engines exist in the UK on display, in static or in flying aircraft or in storage / in private collections?
Are there any ADC Cirrus Mk I engines on display in the UK?
By: mark_pilkington - 26th January 2024 at 08:29
Thanks @Terry Parker
I had previously described the static display engine as:
– c/n 892 – missing name plate (fitted with ADC Cirrus III Heads is this a Cirrus II “mod 3?”- or is it a Cirrus III?) – The Aeroplane Collection – Hooton Park
(It is recorded apparently as a Cirrus 2, C/N 892, donated via the Shuttleworth Collection in April 1965)
Based in the 3158 stamped on the engine mount moulding on the crankcase, I think its clearly not c/n “892”.
I can still not resolve if its a Cirrus II with Cirrus III Heads, or simply a Cirrus III?, but if its serial is 3158 (rather than 315 with a spurrolous 8 near by), then I think it would need to be a Cirrus III for the c/n number to be up at that quantity?
I therefore propose to revise my record as:
“Previously recorded as Cirrus mk II c/n 892 but missing its name plate, it is fitted with ADC Cirrus III Heads (Is this a Cirrus II “mod 3?”- or is it a Cirrus III?) and has the number 3158 stamped on the front port engine mount moulding of the crankcase. As that is the typical location of the engine construction number on other examples, then at this stage it would seem this is c/n 3158 not c/n 892.
(The high c/n number may support the proposition that it is a Cirrus III not a Cirrus II?)”
Regards
Mark Pilkington
By: Terry Parker - 23rd January 2024 at 17:07
Hooton Park’s displayed Cirrus II:



and the other one in Avian G-EBZM:

By: TEXANTOMCAT2 - 4th December 2023 at 15:34
Ah! Could have been I was whizzing past at the time saw the logo and thought it your thread- soz!
By: mark_pilkington - 4th December 2023 at 14:04
Hello Texantpmcat2
I think this might be the one you saw?
Blackburn Cirrus Major – Midland Air Museum – a photo on Flickriver
If so its a later “inverted” Blackburn Cirrus Major that has been “inverted – upright” ie upside down
By: TEXANTOMCAT2 - 4th December 2023 at 11:42
I was at the Midland Air Museum yesterday and a Cirrus was on display in the Frank Whittle Heritage section, I must admit I forgot to take a photo!
By: mark_pilkington - 27th November 2023 at 09:44
Revision 9 thanks again to Mothminor
Part 1 – It seems that the following ADC Cirrus Engines survive in the UK.
ADC Cirrus (I)
– none
ADC Cirrus II
– c/n 276c – (ie ‘C’ Canadian built? – is this an American built ACE Cirrus III?) – in Avro Avian G-EBZM (Static) -The Aeroplane Collection – Hooton Park, Cheshire
– c/n D1-2 – Science Museum London
– c/n? Vintage Racing Special #44 (car built on a Buick chassis by Frank Cuttell from Mittagong NSW – exported to UK)
– c/n 408? – 1928 G-Type Amilcar (car built by Ian Bingham in UK, ADC Cirrus based on Crankcase/Crankshaft from Hughes Trading Victoria – swapped for sectionised ADC Cirrus I)
– c/n 892 – missing name plate (fitted with ADC Cirrus III Heads is this a Cirrus II “mod 3?”- or is it a Cirrus III?) – The Aeroplane Collection – Hooton Park
(It is recorded apparently as a Cirrus 2, C/N 892, donated via the Shuttleworth Collection in April 1965)
c/n? Cirrus II for Westland Widgeon restoration – Aero Antiques / MK Aviation
ADC Cirrus III
– c/n 80 DH60 Moth G-EBLV (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n ? Static restoration- private owner “CirrusADC/Ralph” KP Forum 2017
-c/n ? Aero antiques / MK Aviation
Cirrus Hermes (I)
– none
Cirrus Hermes II
– c/n F86 – Aeroventure (ex BA Swallow)
– c/n ? – Avro Triplane replica (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n ? – DH60X Cirrus Moth G-EBWD (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n 241 – Parnell Elf G-AIIN (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n? – Desoutter I G-AAPZ (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n? – Spartan Arrow G-ABWP (flying)- Redhill
– c/n? for Avro Avian restoration – Aero Antiques / MK Aviation
– c/n? Spare for Avian – Aero Antiques / MK Aviation
Cirrus Hermes IIB (Inverted)
– none
Cirrus Hermes IVa (Inverted)
– none
Blackburn Cirrus Minor (Inverted)
– c/n? – Yorkshire Aviation Museum – Elvington
Blackburn Cirrus Major (Inverted)
– c/n? – Midland Aviation Museum – Coventry
UNK Marks
Part 2 – It seems that the following ADC Cirrus Engines survive outside of the UK.
ADC Cirrus (I)
– c/n 10 (oldest surviving Cirrus Engine) running – private owner – CANADA
– c/n 21 DH 60 Moth G-AUAE Static – private owner – AUST
– c/n 47 – Sectionised Static (swapped from UK for Cirrus II c/n 408) – private owner – AUST
ADC Cirrus II
– c/n ? Cirrus II Avro Avian 581E G-EBOV – Queensland Museum – AUST
– c/n ? Cirrus II – Camden Museum of Aviation – AUST
– c/n mk II 273 – Cirrus II – Moorabbin Air Museum – Victoria – AUST
– c/n mk II 283 – Cirrus II – Powerhouse Museum – AUST
– c/n mk II 390 – Cirrus II Formerly New England Air Museum – private owner -AUST
– c/n mk II 577 mod 3 – Cirrus II with Cirrus III heads – Formerly Hunter Relics Antiques – private owner – AUST
– c/n mk II 593 – Cirrus II – DH60X Cirrus Moth VH-UAU – Powerhouse Museum – AUST
– c/n ? Westland Widgeon III – VH-UGI (flying) – private owner – AUST
– c/n? Westland Widgeon III VH-UHU (airworthy restoration) – private owner AUST
– c/n? Westland Widgeon III G-AUKA (wreck) – Central Australia Aviation Museum AUST
– c/n? Cirrus II – for Avro Avian restoration – private owner AUST
– c/n? Cirrus II DH60X Cirrus Moth G-CAUA – Canada Aviation Museum – CANADA
– c/n? Cirrus II DH60X Seaplane OH-EJA Aviation Museum of Central Finland – FINLAND
– c/n mk II 448 – Cirrus II – MOTAT – Auckland – NEW ZEALAND
ADC Cirrus III
– c/n? Cirrus III – for Avian restoration – private owner – AUST
– c/n? Cirrus III – DH60X Cirrus Moth C-CYYG (airworthy) Alberta Av Museum – CANADA
– c/n? Cirrus III – KZ IX Ellehammer replica in the Danmarks Flymuseum – DENMARK
– c/n? Cirrus III – Aviation Museum of Central Finland – FINLAND
– c/n? Cirrus III – Dornier Do12 Libelle VQ-FAB at the Deutsches Museum, Munich – GERMANY
– c/n? Cirrus III – Kalamazoo Aviation History Museum – Kalamazoo – USA
– c/n? Cirrus III – Power of the Past Museum – Georgia – USA
– c/n? Cirrus III – Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome (seemingly recorded erroneously on their website as a 90HP “Cirrus Minor” – it has mk III heads, and apparent ADC Cirrus embossing on the crankcase?)- New York – USA
Cirrus Hermes (I)
– c/n? Cirrus Hermes I – DH60X Hermes Moth VH-SSC private owner – AUST
– c/n? Cirrus Hermes I – Formerly Walter Kurl Collection – private owner – AUST
– c/n? Cirrus Hermes I – Aviation Museum of Central Finland – FINLAND
Cirrus Hermes II
– none
Cirrus Hermes IVa (Inverted)
– c/n? location unknown – Hermes IV from Blackburn B2 G-ADFV (The Aeroplane Collection)
“was sold to a collector around 15 years ago. He sold it on to a collector in Spain”
ACE Cirrus III (American Cirrus Engine Company)
– c/n 23 ACE Cirrus III – Wings of History Museum – California – USA
– c/n? – ACE Cirrus III – Air Venture Museum – Oshkosh – USA
– c/n? – ACE Cirrus III (Sectionised) – Antique Assn / Airpower Museum – Iowa – USA
– c/n? – ACE Cirrus III – Eagle’s Mere Air Museum – PA – USA
ACE Cirrus (III) High Drive (Inverted)
– c/n 2062 ACE Cirrus High Drive – (flying) Rearwin Speeder 6000 NC15865 – Sonoma Skypark California – USA
UNK Marks
– Curtiss-Reid Rambler II replica (fitted with original “Cirrus” engine) at the Montreal Aviation Museum – CANADA
Any more?
Any info to fill in the blanks on those listed above?
By: mark_pilkington - 25th November 2023 at 12:11
Thanks Mothminor, the engine in your photo at Midland Air Museum in 2022 looks a lot like a normally inverted Blackburn Cirrus Major that has been mounted as if its an earlier Upright ADC Cirrus, but the fact that the Crankcase “Cirrus” embossed brand is upside down is a strong clue to its true identity. – I will of course still add it to the list.
By: Mothminor - 24th November 2023 at 19:55
Apologies for this late one. I was looking to see if I had photographed a Gipsy engine at Midland Air Museum, Coventry in 2022 but it turns out it was a Cirrus instead!
By: mark_pilkington - 21st November 2023 at 22:20
Revision 8 thanks again to Mothminor
Part 1 – It seems that the following ADC Cirrus Engines survive in the UK.
ADC Cirrus (I)
– none
ADC Cirrus II
– c/n 276c – (ie ‘C’ Canadian built? – is this an American built ACE Cirrus III?) – in Avro Avian G-EBZM (Static) -The Aeroplane Collection – Hooton Park, Cheshire
– c/n D1-2 – Science Museum London
– c/n? Vintage Racing Special #44 (car built on a Buick chassis by Frank Cuttell from Mittagong NSW – exported to UK)
– c/n 408? – 1928 G-Type Amilcar (car built by Ian Bingham in UK, ADC Cirrus based on Crankcase/Crankshaft from Hughes Trading Victoria – swapped for sectionised ADC Cirrus I)
– c/n 892 – missing name plate (fitted with ADC Cirrus III Heads is this a Cirrus II “mod 3?”- or is it a Cirrus III?) – The Aeroplane Collection – Hooton Park
(It is recorded apparently as a Cirrus 2, C/N 892, donated via the Shuttleworth Collection in April 1965)
c/n? Cirrus II for Westland Widgeon restoration – Aero Antiques / MK Aviation
ADC Cirrus III
– c/n 80 DH60 Moth G-EBLV (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n ? Static restoration- private owner “CirrusADC/Ralph” KP Forum 2017
-c/n ? Aero antiques / MK Aviation
Cirrus Hermes (I)
– none
Cirrus Hermes II
– c/n F86 – Aeroventure (ex BA Swallow)
– c/n ? – Avro Triplane replica (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n ? – DH60X Cirrus Moth G-EBWD (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n 241 – Parnell Elf G-AIIN (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n? – Desoutter I G-AAPZ (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n? – Spartan Arrow G-ABWP (flying)- Redhill
– c/n? for Avro Avian restoration – Aero Antiques / MK Aviation
– c/n? Spare for Avian – Aero Antiques / MK Aviation
Cirrus Hermes IIB (Inverted)
– none
Cirrus Hermes IVa (Inverted)
– none
Blackburn Cirrus Minor (Inverted)
– c/n? – Yorkshire Aviation Museum – Elvington
UNK Marks
Part 2 – It seems that the following ADC Cirrus Engines survive outside of the UK.
ADC Cirrus (I)
– c/n 10 (oldest surviving Cirrus Engine) running – private owner – CANADA
– c/n 21 DH 60 Moth G-AUAE Static – private owner – AUST
– c/n 47 – Sectionised Static (swapped from UK for Cirrus II c/n 408) – private owner – AUST
ADC Cirrus II
– c/n ? Cirrus II Avro Avian 581E G-EBOV – Queensland Museum – AUST
– c/n ? Cirrus II – Camden Museum of Aviation – AUST
– c/n mk II 273 – Cirrus II – Moorabbin Air Museum – Victoria – AUST
– c/n mk II 283 – Cirrus II – Powerhouse Museum – AUST
– c/n mk II 390 – Cirrus II Formerly New England Air Museum – private owner -AUST
– c/n mk II 577 mod 3 – Cirrus II with Cirrus III heads – Formerly Hunter Relics Antiques – private owner – AUST
– c/n mk II 593 – Cirrus II – DH60X Cirrus Moth VH-UAU – Powerhouse Museum – AUST
– c/n ? Westland Widgeon III – VH-UGI (flying) – private owner – AUST
– c/n? Westland Widgeon III VH-UHU (airworthy restoration) – private owner AUST
– c/n? Westland Widgeon III G-AUKA (wreck) – Central Australia Aviation Museum AUST
– c/n? Cirrus II – for Avro Avian restoration – private owner AUST
– c/n? Cirrus II DH60X Cirrus Moth G-CAUA – Canada Aviation Museum – CANADA
– c/n? Cirrus II DH60X Seaplane OH-EJA Aviation Museum of Central Finland – FINLAND
– c/n mk II 448 – Cirrus II – MOTAT – Auckland – NEW ZEALAND
ADC Cirrus III
– c/n? Cirrus III – for Avian restoration – private owner – AUST
– c/n? Cirrus III – DH60X Cirrus Moth C-CYYG (airworthy) Alberta Av Museum – CANADA
– c/n? Cirrus III – KZ IX Ellehammer replica in the Danmarks Flymuseum – DENMARK
– c/n? Cirrus III – Aviation Museum of Central Finland – FINLAND
– c/n? Cirrus III – Dornier Do12 Libelle VQ-FAB at the Deutsches Museum, Munich – GERMANY
– c/n? Cirrus III – Kalamazoo Aviation History Museum – Kalamazoo – USA
– c/n? Cirrus III – Power of the Past Museum – Georgia – USA
– c/n? Cirrus III – Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome (seemingly recorded erroneously on their website as a 90HP “Cirrus Minor” – it has mk III heads, and apparent ADC Cirrus embossing on the crankcase?)- New York – USA
Cirrus Hermes (I)
– c/n? Cirrus Hermes I – DH60X Hermes Moth VH-SSC private owner – AUST
– c/n? Cirrus Hermes I – Formerly Walter Kurl Collection – private owner – AUST
– c/n? Cirrus Hermes I – Aviation Museum of Central Finland – FINLAND
Cirrus Hermes II
– none
Cirrus Hermes IVa (Inverted)
– c/n? location unknown – Hermes IV from Blackburn B2 G-ADFV (The Aeroplane Collection)
“was sold to a collector around 15 years ago. He sold it on to a collector in Spain”
ACE Cirrus III (American Cirrus Engine Company)
– c/n 23 ACE Cirrus III – Wings of History Museum – California – USA
– c/n? – ACE Cirrus III – Air Venture Museum – Oshkosh – USA
– c/n? – ACE Cirrus III (Sectionised) – Antique Assn / Airpower Museum – Iowa – USA
– c/n? – ACE Cirrus III – Eagle’s Mere Air Museum – PA – USA
ACE Cirrus (III) High Drive (Inverted)
– c/n 2062 ACE Cirrus High Drive – (flying) Rearwin Speeder 6000 NC15865 – Sonoma Skypark California – USA
UNK Marks
– Curtiss-Reid Rambler II replica (fitted with original “Cirrus” engine) at the Montreal Aviation Museum – CANADA
Any more?
Any info to fill in the blanks on those listed above?
By: Mothminor - 20th November 2023 at 19:30
Cheers Mark. Glad the photo was of use.
I’ve only just noticed that the registration is wrong for the Shuttleworth Collection Desoutter – it is G-AAPZ.
By: mark_pilkington - 20th November 2023 at 05:27
Thanks MothMinor
your photo gives a clear view of the heads which are certainly “Cirrus III” heads
By: Mothminor - 11th November 2023 at 11:38
Thanks Mark. I kept my posts vague as I had a feeling you would be correcting at least one of them! Frustratingly I also caught the Old Rhinebeck Cirrus in a photo too but, being tucked in a far corner of a hangar behind other engines, very little of it is visible. I’ve added the pic below although I doubt it’s of any help to you!
By: mark_pilkington - 11th November 2023 at 08:59
Revision 7 thanks again to Mothminor
Part 1 – It seems that the following ADC Cirrus Engines survive in the UK.
ADC Cirrus (I)
– none
ADC Cirrus II
– c/n 276c – (ie ‘C’ Canadian built? – is this an American built ACE Cirrus III?) – in Avro Avian G-EBZM (Static) -The Aeroplane Collection – Hooton Park, Cheshire
– c/n D1-2 – Science Museum London
– c/n? Vintage Racing Special #44 (car built on a Buick chassis by Frank Cuttell from Mittagong NSW – exported to UK)
– c/n 408? – 1928 G-Type Amilcar (car built by Ian Bingham in UK, ADC Cirrus based on Crankcase/Crankshaft from Hughes Trading Victoria – swapped for sectionised ADC Cirrus I)
– c/n 892 – missing name plate (fitted with ADC Cirrus III Heads is this a Cirrus II “mod 3?”- or is it a Cirrus III?) – The Aeroplane Collection – Hooton Park
(It is recorded apparently as a Cirrus 2, C/N 892, donated via the Shuttleworth Collection in April 1965)
c/n? Cirrus II for Westland Widgeon restoration – Aero Antiques / MK Aviation
ADC Cirrus III
– c/n 80 DH60 Moth G-EBLV (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n ? Static restoration- private owner “CirrusADC/Ralph” KP Forum 2017
-c/n ? Aero antiques / MK Aviation
Cirrus Hermes (I)
– none
Cirrus Hermes II
– c/n F86 – Aeroventure (ex BA Swallow)
– c/n ? – Avro Triplane replica (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n ? – DH60X Cirrus Moth G-EBWD (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n 241 – Parnell Elf G-AIIN (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n? – Desoutter I G-AENP (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n? – Spartan Arrow G-ABWP (flying)- Redhill
– c/n? for Avro Avian restoration – Aero Antiques / MK Aviation
– c/n? Spare for Avian – Aero Antiques / MK Aviation
Cirrus Hermes IIB (Inverted)
– none
Cirrus Hermes IVa (Inverted)
– none
Blackburn Cirrus Minor (Inverted)
– c/n? – Yorkshire Aviation Museum – Elvington
UNK Marks
Part 2 – It seems that the following ADC Cirrus Engines survive outside of the UK.
ADC Cirrus (I)
– c/n 10 (oldest surviving Cirrus Engine) running – private owner – CANADA
– c/n 21 DH 60 Moth G-AUAE Static – private owner – AUST
– c/n 47 – Sectionised Static (swapped from UK for Cirrus II c/n 408) – private owner – AUST
ADC Cirrus II
– c/n ? Cirrus II Avro Avian 581E G-EBOV – Queensland Museum – AUST
– c/n ? Cirrus II – Camden Museum of Aviation – AUST
– c/n mk II 273 – Cirrus II – Moorabbin Air Museum – Victoria – AUST
– c/n mk II 283 – Cirrus II – Powerhouse Museum – AUST
– c/n mk II 390 – Cirrus II Formerly New England Air Museum – private owner -AUST
– c/n mk II 577 mod 3 – Cirrus II with Cirrus III heads – Formerly Hunter Relics Antiques – private owner – AUST
– c/n mk II 593 – Cirrus II – DH60X Cirrus Moth VH-UAU – Powerhouse Museum – AUST
– c/n ? Westland Widgeon III – VH-UGI (flying) – private owner – AUST
– c/n? Westland Widgeon III VH-UHU (airworthy restoration) – private owner AUST
– c/n? Westland Widgeon III G-AUKA (wreck) – Central Australia Aviation Museum AUST
– c/n? Cirrus II – for Avro Avian restoration – private owner AUST
– c/n? Cirrus II DH60X Cirrus Moth G-CAUA – Canada Aviation Museum – CANADA
– c/n? Cirrus II DH60X Seaplane OH-EJA Aviation Museum of Central Finland – FINLAND
– c/n mk II 448 – Cirrus II – MOTAT – Auckland – NEW ZEALAND
ADC Cirrus III
– c/n? Cirrus III – for Avian restoration – private owner – AUST
– c/n? Cirrus III – DH60X Cirrus Moth C-CYYG (airworthy) Alberta Av Museum – CANADA
– c/n? Cirrus III – KZ IX Ellehammer replica in the Danmarks Flymuseum – DENMARK
– c/n? Cirrus III – Aviation Museum of Central Finland – FINLAND
– c/n? Cirrus III – Dornier Do12 Libelle VQ-FAB at the Deutsches Museum, Munich – GERMANY
– c/n? Cirrus III – Kalamazoo Aviation History Museum – Kalamazoo – USA
– c/n? Cirrus III – Power of the Past Museum – Georgia – USA
– c/n? Cirrus III – Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome (seemingly recorded erroneously on their website as a 90HP “Cirrus Minor” – it has mk III heads, and apparent ADC Cirrus embossing on the crankcase?)- New York – USA
Cirrus Hermes (I)
– c/n? Cirrus Hermes I – DH60X Hermes Moth VH-SSC private owner – AUST
– c/n? Cirrus Hermes I – Formerly Walter Kurl Collection – private owner – AUST
– c/n? Cirrus Hermes I – Aviation Museum of Central Finland – FINLAND
Cirrus Hermes II
– none
Cirrus Hermes IVa (Inverted)
– c/n? location unknown – Hermes IV from Blackburn B2 G-ADFV (The Aeroplane Collection)
“was sold to a collector around 15 years ago. He sold it on to a collector in Spain”
ACE Cirrus III (American Cirrus Engine Company)
– c/n 23 ACE Cirrus III – Wings of History Museum – California – USA
– c/n? – ACE Cirrus III – Air Venture Museum – Oshkosh – USA
– c/n? – ACE Cirrus III (Sectionised) – Antique Assn / Airpower Museum – Iowa – USA
– c/n? – ACE Cirrus III – Eagle’s Mere Air Museum – PA – USA
ACE Cirrus (III) High Drive (Inverted)
– c/n 2062 ACE Cirrus High Drive – (flying) Rearwin Speeder 6000 NC15865 – Sonoma Skypark California – USA
UNK Marks
– Curtiss-Reid Rambler II replica (fitted with original “Cirrus” engine) at the Montreal Aviation Museum – CANADA
Any more?
Any info to fill in the blanks on those listed above?
By: mark_pilkington - 11th November 2023 at 06:07
Although its signage describes it as a Cirrus I, this is not an ADC Cirrus engine but seemingly either a late model Cirrus Hermes (inverted engine) or even a Blackburn Cirrus Major/Minor (inverted engine).
It has massive V shaped bracing moulded into the crankcase “below” the engine mount blocks, the carb/air intake is on the RHS of the inverted engine and the starter motor is mounted vertically at RHS rear, features that should make it easily identified?
I will try to identify it against my manuals, it seems to be missing its reduction gear cover at the front?
I have checked my manuals, its NOT a Blackburn Cirrus Major
It IS a Blackburn Cirrus Minor
By: mark_pilkington - 11th November 2023 at 05:13
By: Mothminor – 10th November 2023 at 15:25
Have just been trawling through some of my photos and have found this one taken at the Yorkshire Air Museum, Elvington in 2019 –
ATTACHMENTS
I had someone else tell me they had seen a Cirrus engine at Elvington but I couldn’t find any reference to it online or within the museum’s website.
Although its signage describes it as a Cirrus I, this is not an ADC Cirrus engine but seemingly either a late model Cirrus Hermes (inverted engine) or even a Blackburn Cirrus Major/Minor (inverted engine).
It has massive V shaped bracing moulded into the crankcase “below” the engine mount blocks, the carb/air intake is on the RHS of the inverted engine and the starter motor is mounted vertically at RHS rear, features that should make it easily identified?
I will try to identify it against my manuals, it seems to be missing its reduction gear cover at the front?
By: mark_pilkington - 11th November 2023 at 05:00
By: Mothminor – 10th November 2023 at 15:37
Also the KZ IX Ellehammer replica in the Danmarks Flymuseum at Stauning is listed as having a Cirrus Hermes engine –
https://www.flymuseum.dk/our-planes?id=189:kz-ix-ellehammer&catid=34
Better photo here –
Yes thats certainly an ADC Cirrus engine of some sort
I am not sure its a Cirrus Hermes as the sump is a symmetrical V shape, consistent with the original ADC Cirrus I, II and III, where as the Hermes has a more rectangular sump?
The Heads are difficult to see even when the image is zoomed in, but to my eye they seem to be Cirrrus III heads, so again either a late Cirrus II with Cirrus III heads, or a Cirrus III?
Thanks
By: Mothminor - 10th November 2023 at 15:37
Also the KZ IX Ellehammer replica in the Danmarks Flymuseum at Stauning is listed as having a Cirrus Hermes engine –
https://www.flymuseum.dk/our-planes?id=189:kz-ix-ellehammer&catid=34
Better photo here –
By: Mothminor - 10th November 2023 at 15:25
Have just been trawling through some of my photos and have found this one taken at the Yorkshire Air Museum, Elvington in 2019 –
By: mark_pilkington - 8th November 2023 at 07:04
The Old Rhineback Museum in New York lists a 1925 / 90HP “Cirrus Minor” on its engine display page on its website.
It seems to have ADC style “CIRRUS” embossing on the Crankcase
(but not clear enough in the image to read and confirm that)
It seems to have Cirrus III style heads
Hence I suspect its an ADC built Cirrus III engine and have listed it at such but the c/n is unknown and the data plate identity yet to be confirmed?
By: mark_pilkington - 8th November 2023 at 07:00
Revision 6 thanks Mothminor
Part 1 – It seems that the following ADC Cirrus Engines survive in the UK.
ADC Cirrus (I)
– none
ADC Cirrus II
– c/n 276c – (ie ‘C’ Canadian built? – is this an American built ACE Cirrus III?) – in Avro Avian G-EBZM (Static) -The Aeroplane Collection – Hooton Park, Cheshire
– c/n D1-2 – Science Museum London
– c/n? Vintage Racing Special #44 (car built on a Buick chassis by Frank Cuttell from Mittagong NSW – exported to UK)
– c/n 408? – 1928 G-Type Amilcar (car built by Ian Bingham in UK, ADC Cirrus based on Crankcase/Crankshaft from Hughes Trading Victoria – swapped for sectionised ADC Cirrus I)
– c/n 892 – missing name plate (fitted with ADC Cirrus III Heads is this a Cirrus II “mod 3?”- or is it a Cirrus III?) – The Aeroplane Collection – Hooton Park
(It is recorded apparently as a Cirrus 2, C/N 892, donated via the Shuttleworth Collection in April 1965)
c/n? Cirrus II for Westland Widgeon restoration – Aero Antiques / MK Aviation
ADC Cirrus III
– c/n 80 DH60 Moth G-EBLV (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n ? Static restoration- private owner “CirrusADC/Ralph” KP Forum 2017
-c/n ? Aero antiques / MK Aviation
Cirrus Hermes (I)
– none
Cirrus Hermes II
– c/n F86 – Aeroventure (ex BA Swallow)
– c/n ? – Avro Triplane replica (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n ? – DH60X Cirrus Moth G-EBWD (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n 241 – Parnell Elf G-AIIN (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n? – Desoutter I G-AENP (flying) – Shuttleworth
– c/n? – Spartan Arrow G-ABWP (flying)- Redhill
– c/n? for Avro Avian restoration – Aero Antiques / MK Aviation
– c/n? Spare for Avian – Aero Antiques / MK Aviation
Cirrus Hermes IIB (Inverted)
– none
Cirrus Hermes IVa (Inverted)
– none
UNK Marks
Part 2 – It seems that the following ADC Cirrus Engines survive outside of the UK.
ADC Cirrus (I)
– c/n 10 (oldest surviving Cirrus Engine) running – private owner – CANADA
– c/n 21 DH 60 Moth G-AUAE Static – private owner – AUST
– c/n 47 – Sectionised Static (swapped from UK for Cirrus II c/n 408) – private owner – AUST
ADC Cirrus II
– c/n ? Cirrus II Avro Avian 581E G-EBOV – Queensland Museum – AUST
– c/n ? Cirrus II – Camden Museum of Aviation – AUST
– c/n mk II 273 – Cirrus II – Moorabbin Air Museum – Victoria – AUST
– c/n mk II 283 – Cirrus II – Powerhouse Museum – AUST
– c/n mk II 390 – Cirrus II Formerly New England Air Museum – private owner -AUST
– c/n mk II 577 mod 3 – Cirrus II with Cirrus III heads – Formerly Hunter Relics Antiques – private owner – AUST
– c/n mk II 593 – Cirrus II – DH60X Cirrus Moth VH-UAU – Powerhouse Museum – AUST
– c/n ? Westland Widgeon III – VH-UGI (flying) – private owner – AUST
– c/n? Westland Widgeon III VH-UHU (airworthy restoration) – private owner AUST
– c/n? Westland Widgeon III G-AUKA (wreck) – Central Australia Aviation Museum AUST
– c/n? Cirrus II – for Avro Avian restoration – private owner AUST
– c/n? Cirrus II DH60X Cirrus Moth G-CAUA – Canada Aviation Museum – CANADA
– c/n? Cirrus II DH60X Seaplane OH-EJA Aviation Museum of Central Finland – FINLAND
– c/n mk II 448 – Cirrus II – MOTAT – Auckland – NEW ZEALAND
ADC Cirrus III
– c/n? Cirrus III – for Avian restoration – private owner – AUST
– c/n? Cirrus III DH60X Cirrus Moth C-CYYG (airworthy) Alberta Av Museum – CANADA
– c/n? Cirrus III – Aviation Museum of Central Finland – FINLAND
– c/n? Cirrus III – Dornier Do12 Libelle VQ-FAB at the Deutsches Museum, Munich – GERMANY
– c/n? Cirrus III – Kalamazoo Aviation History Museum – Kalamazoo – USA
– c/n? Cirrus III – Power of the Past Museum – Georgia – USA
– c/n? Cirrus III – Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome (seemingly recorded erroneously on their website as a 90HP “Cirrus Minor” – it has mk III heads, and apparent ADC Cirrus embossing on the crankcase?)- New York – USA
Cirrus Hermes (I)
– c/n? Cirrus Hermes I – DH60X Hermes Moth VH-SSC private owner – AUST
– c/n? Cirrus Hermes I – Formerly Walter Kurl Collection – private owner – AUST
– c/n? Cirrus Hermes I – Aviation Museum of Central Finland – FINLAND
Cirrus Hermes II
– none
Cirrus Hermes IVa (Inverted)
– c/n? location unknown – Hermes IV from Blackburn B2 G-ADFV (The Aeroplane Collection)
“was sold to a collector around 15 years ago. He sold it on to a collector in Spain”
ACE Cirrus III (American Cirrus Engine Company)
– c/n 23 ACE Cirrus III – Wings of History Museum – California – USA
– c/n? – ACE Cirrus III – Air Venture Museum – Oshkosh – USA
– c/n? – ACE Cirrus III (Sectionised) – Antique Assn / Airpower Museum – Iowa – USA
– c/n? – ACE Cirrus III – Eagle’s Mere Air Museum – PA – USA
ACE Cirrus (III) High Drive (Inverted)
– c/n 2062 ACE Cirrus High Drive – (flying) Rearwin Speeder 6000 NC15865 – Sonoma Skypark California – USA
UNK Marks
– Curtiss-Reid Rambler II replica (fitted with original “Cirrus” engine) at the Montreal Aviation Museum – CANADA
Any more?
Any info to fill in the blanks on those listed above?