Swedish Air Force Museum revisited

87% of course!
Must go and get a photo of a Hunter at Säve now, so the rest of the translation (on the new thread) will come this afternoon/evening.

Here is the new thread, a translation of the Swedish web site mentioned above . . .

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=61568

BigVern, please take note!
There will be an examination at the end of this week, so make sure you do your homework properly!!!

What’s the pass mark??? 🙂 🙂

Here is the new thread, a translation of the Swedish web site mentioned above . . .

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=61568

BigVern, please take note!
There will be an examination at the end of this week, so make sure you do your homework properly!!!

Serious thread drift here!
Since I got up early this morning to try to photograph the Hunter doing a flyby at Säve, I will translate the Swedish Bloodhound web site text, but will start a new thread for it. The Hunter should arrive about 12 Swedish time.
The first job we had to do when 112 Sqn was formed at Woodhall Spa was to lay the ducting for the missile launcher cabling – hot and dirty work, but everyone chipped in. Then we had to erect and test the T87s, which took several months!

WOW some more brilliant shots of the Viggens!, the prototypes look in fantastic condition considering they are stored outside, thanks for the info on the Bloodhound.

Regards,

John.

John

On the Swedish site there is a very good colour picture of a early RAF Bloodhound 1 (if you’re building the Airfix Kit). The photo is most likely a 264 Sqn missile from North Coates (most of the initial Swedish personnel on the RB-365 and RB-68 did their training there with the RAF). The missile radome was originally a tan colour, however they were later gloss black. Missile was overall gloss white with black stencilling. Boost motors again all white with a brown band at the front just behind the forward boost attachment (looks red on the photo, I’ve seen video that shows it as brown (which is the colour that the boost band was on the Mk 2). Half of the Rear Nozzle on the boost was a metallic red. The small black mark at the rear of the lower ramjet is the Engine data plate. Port side on the upper engine, Starboard on the lower one. The metal covers on the ramjets are the handing fittings for putting the engines on the missile, they were replaced on operational rounds by fibreglass (cream coloured) weather covers that were blown off by the ramjet igniters. These are not moulded on the Airfix kit that show the missile in boosted flight configuration. The Mk1’s that had Squadron marking had them on the upper ramjet and they were usually stuck on, not painted (most of them were a RAF roundel with the Sqn bar markings on either side, however 141 Sqn had one with the lion’s head over the black bar with white triangles (like the 141 Sqn Javelin tail markings). Launcher is gloss dark green and is on a concrete base (The Mk 1 was not designed to be transportable, hence the Roy Cross Artwork is not accurate (The metal base area that the Launcher is sitting on was used on another form by the RAF and the Swedish AF on their deployable Bloodhound Mk 2 missile sections, However I think Bristols did display a launcher on that type of base at Farnbourgh one year (without telling the world that a big hole in the ground under the launcher was required for its services entry (Air, Electric, Control Signals and Hydraulic oil supplies)). I’ve got a scale plan of a Mk 1 firing pad somewhere on a disk and again I’ll dig it out and post it.

Well Bigvern you can try this translation website:

http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=English&to=Swedish

put the url in the box and highlight URL and select translate.

The translation is crude and headache inducing but it might help.

Cheers for the Link, Usual problem with on line translation however. Does not do Swedish Techie Talk, the same as the German ones were not that good for the Swiss BL-64 web sites (One Swiss site had the term ‘Handling Round’ in German (A handling round was a Mk 1 modified to Mk 2 dimensions for launcher loading training (didn’t matter if it got damaged too much)). Well on this on-line translator the term HANDLING ROUND came up as MANIPULATING TUBES!!!!) 😮 😮 😮

On the other hand now I think about it my boss at work did a Swedish course a while back he might like a challenge….

Yup the good old 30 year rule…..

and I have a hunch that some of the info around the Bloundhound will still be sensitive even after the date is passed.

Well Bigvern you can try this translation website:

http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=English&to=Swedish

put the url in the box and highlight URL and select translate.

The translation is crude and headache inducing but it might help.

Of course the unfinished site Papa Lima links to is yours isn’t it Bigvern… 😉

Yep, and some day I’ll get around to finishing it (When work and other factors allow (like having the money to get the FOI requests sorted for the Type 87 and LCP with are still on 30 Year rule :rolleyes: ).

Papa Lima

Somebody is doing a Swedish Bloodhound site, Check this out http://www.skogsborg.se/rb68.html.

Missile video is a Mk 2 MET round fired at Woomera in 1963-65 by 17 Joint Service Trials Unit. Still shots of a launch are a RB-68 firing from Vidsel.

Grovel Mode Activated.

Could somebody from Sweden please, please, please do a translation into English as this looks like it’s got all of the information that I’ve been searching for about the Swedish RB-68 force. (Also looks like some of the Swedish missiles were green as well from some of the photos).

Of course the unfinished site Papa Lima links to is yours isn’t it Bigvern… 😉

Nice shots Papa Lima, The Bloodhound, how accurate is the colour scheme?, I am currently building a model of one.

Is the white in matt or gloss? also is the what green works best.

My favourite must be the A21-A3 and the Viggen comes a close second, can’t wait till the one at Newarks is completed.

Kindest regards,

John.

John, Which kit are you building?

http://www.bhmk2.net/index.htm

is a link to the Bloodhound missile web site, but it is incomplete. However the title photo shows the darker green of the launcher. I think the launcher I photographed at Linköping has faded to a lighter green – Swedish sunshine is very strong, even though we only get it for a month or two!
Although it is a Swedish missile on the launcher, as far as I remember the black and white colour scheme was the same in the UK. Some RAF Squadrons put their crests on the missiles, I believe, although I personally never saw one with that embellishment.
At Aberporth we were shooting them into Cardigan Bay, so they were not given any fancy paintwork!

Every missile that left the factory at Cardiff was white, the RAF started to paint them NATO IR Suppressing Green in the early to mid 1970’s when they were based in Germany (The 112 Sqn rounds in Cyprus remained white until the Sqn disbanded in 1975/6 and reformed as 85 Sqn at West Raynham). The launchers were originally Gloss Dark Green. As far as the Swedish armed forces involvment with Bloodhound, the Swedish Air Force were the only air arm beside the RAF to operate both marks of Bloodhound. The Swedish armed forces (Air Force / Army) procured 13 Bloodhound Mk 1 missiles under the designation of RB-365. The Army had a regiment (LV3) at Norrtalje some 40 miles north of Stockholm a limited fire unit (8 Launchers, one full Launch Control Post and two Type 83 Pluse TIR, along with a missile workshop (a full RAF Fire Unit had 16 Launchers). While the Air force had a minor fire unit (one half of an LCP, one Radar and one launcher) and a prototype of an air defence centre (SOC) at wing F2 at Hagernas some 10 miles north of Stockholm. There were digital data links between the two sites and primary data from the Swedish STRIL 60-system’s long range radar (Type 80) and nodding height finders. The total equipment procured from BAC was

Missiles 12 – LV3, 1 – F2
Launchers 8 – LV3 1 – F2
LCP 1 – LV3 ½ – F2
TIR Sting Ray 2 – LV3 1 – F2
Handling equipment including fuelling area and explosives area for LV3
Missile Workshop 1 – LV3
Training in the UK
Documentation
Spares

Had the system been fully operational the designation would have been RB-65, the 3 prefix meant the system was for trials use (though the LV3 system could have been used had there have been a war).

The system was procured to get the Swedish Armed forces experience with a in-service SAM system, leading to the procurement of one of the newer generation of SAMs under development at the time. The Air Force went for Bloodhound 2 (RB 68), the Army went for the US Hawk (RB 67).

The RB-65 was used from between 1966 and the mid 1970’s. The kit procured were 116 missiles, 48 launchers, 12 T86 TIR’s and LCPs. These made up 12 deployable Missile Sections (one T86 CW TIR, one LCP and four launchers) that were operated out of 5 locations in Sweden (these being F8 Wing (Barkarby) with 4 Missile Sections and the rest at F10 Wing (Ängelholm), F12 Wing (Kalmar), F13 Wing (Norrköping) and F17 (Blekinge) Wing (Ronneby) with 2 Missile Sections each. At time of war these sections would have deployed to pre-prepared sites dotted around Sweden, The system was phased out in the mid 1970’s due to budget cuts and the majority of the Missiles and Radars were sold back to the British (The Type 86 radars being used to replace the type 87’s of 85 Sqn at West Raynham, North Coates and Bawdsey). Swedish Bloodhound 2s were fired on the test range at Vidsel. I’m not sure of how many rounds were fired (one for certain and possibly as many as ten).

I’ve got some pictures of the Swedish Bloodhounds in service somewhere and some with RAF Rounds with Sqn markings (Both Mk 1’s and Mk 2’s). I’ll post them when I’ve dug them out.

Swedish Rb-68 Unit badge from F10 Wing below

Edit – Swedish Rb-365s. Big missile shot – Rb-365 at LV3. Missile on Trailer F-2 Wing’s single Rb-365 Missile. last shot – 8 launchers of LV3.

Swedish Bloodhound

I have a small walkaround of this Bloodhound on my site.

Kind regards
Robert Lundin

Aircraft Walkaround Center
http://aircraftwalkaround.hobbyvista.com

With luck I’ll be able to borrow my daughter-in-law’s car!
It would be nice to see a Viggen away from it’s natural habitat.
Incidentally, I have a Swedish Viggen DVD (58 minutes) called “JA37 Viggen på F4 Frosön” that I might be persuaded to lend to a Forum member in the UK if they are sufficiently interested – please PM me if you would like to borrow it, for the cost of postage from here (about GBP 5 I would guess).

Hi TwinOtter – no, I will be off to Washington, Cleveland and Reno at the end of August for 3 weeks, and probably next visit my family around Christmas – but almost always visit the Newark Museum when I am there.

It will be a bit cold cycling along the back road through Coddington at that time of the year!

Hopefully the Viggen will be complete by then and officially handed over by the Swedish Embassy.

More Viggen pix here:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=60413

WOW some more brilliant shots of the Viggens!, the prototypes look in fantastic condition considering they are stored outside, thanks for the info on the Bloodhound.

Regards,

John.

Hi TwinOtter – no, I will be off to Washington, Cleveland and Reno at the end of August for 3 weeks, and probably next visit my family around Christmas – but almost always visit the Newark Museum when I am there.