Syrian Air Force shoots down Russian plane

“If you paid close attention, those claims was said by Jennifer Dyer instead of Israel MoD spokesman.” on the 25th post you seem to have referenced her as well while I did the same(so were you paying attention? I thought we were on the same boat). So you don’t trust Dyer some self proclaimed American Weapon and Middle Eastern expert (I believe they have quoted a retired US Naval Officer saying strikes would be nearly impossible for israel) Got it.

[QUOTE=”panzerfeist1“]”She recalled that this is why, as far back as 2013, Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu warned that Israel would prevent the delivery of the S-300 system to the Assad regime.”

“The Israeli Air Force is able to fight the system “credibly if a full-blown war were started,” Dyer said but warned that Israel’s ability to prevent such a war via preemptive attacks would “shrink drastically if the S-300 is allowed to go operational in Syria.”

“Furthermore, Israel should not allow the S-300 to become operational, Dyer said, and advised the IAF to focus on taking out the missile launchers of the sophisticated system.” [/QUOTE]
If you paid close attention, those claims was said by Jennifer Dyer instead of Israel MoD spokesman.

The MoD spokesman instead said this:

Earlier this year Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman downplayed Israeli concerns over Russia’s purported plans to install the system in Syria.
“One thing needs to be clear: If someone shoots at our planes, we will destroy them. It doesn’t matter if it’s an S-300 or an S-700,” he said.

Israel’s former Military Intelligence chief Amos Yadlin, who currently heads the influential Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv, said months ago that he assumed the air force would work quickly to destroy the S-300, if it were indeed handed over to Syria.

“If I know the air force well, we have already made proper plans to deal with this threat. After you remove the threat, which is basically what will be done, we’re back to square one,” Yadlin told Bloomberg news in April

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-warns-russia-deploying-s-300-in-syria-would-be-major-mistake/

They were also speaking about destroying the radars and missile launchers immediately even claiming they need extra aircraft if it was turned on.

Sorry for mixing the sources. This what they said about it 5 months ago

They also talking about taking it out when it is online

“The IDF might attack S-300 command elements using cruise missiles,” the US-based weapon expert told Arutz Sheva.

“To protect IAF strike-fighters (F-15, F-16, F-35) on their core mission, the IAF needs to escort them with electronic warfare aircraft to kill the S-300 radars and disrupt the electronic environment for the Syrian air defense system as a whole,” she continued.

The IAF pilots themselves will have to be trained on “evasive maneuvers and the use of defensive systems to confuse the S-300 missiles,” Dyer explained adding that the F-35 “will be an asset once it’s fully integrated into the IAF, because of its lower radar observability.”

“If the S-300 goes operational, that would force Israel to ramp up the ‘offensive’ level of preemptive attacks,” she concluded.

so it ín’t quite like what you claimed

[USER=”58228″]mig-31bm[/USER]. They were also speaking about destroying the radars and missile launchers immediately even claiming they need extra aircraft if it was turned on.

Sorry for mixing the sources. This what they said about it 5 months ago. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/245224

“She told Arutz Sheva the IAF has trained against Greece’ version of the S-300 system which is an older system than the one Russia plans to give to Syria.

The Israeli Air Force is able to fight the system “credibly if a full-blown war were started,” Dyer said but warned that Israel’s ability to prevent such a war via preemptive attacks would “shrink drastically if the S-300 is allowed to go operational in Syria.”

Furthermore, Israel should not allow the S-300 to become operational, Dyer said, and advised the IAF to focus on taking out the missile launchers of the sophisticated system.

“Without their launchers, the missiles are no good. There’s more than one way to attack the launch vehicles when they’re en route or stored before deployment,” Dyer said and warned that letting the S-300 go operational in Syria would mean the IAF will need “extra warplanes” and “a concerted effort for each strike event.””

“The kinds of low-level, preemptive strikes (in Syria) the IAF has executed in the last few years, against Hezbollah targets and the special weapons targets of Iran and the Assad regime, would become virtually impossible,” the retired US Naval officer said.”

”Dyer said and warned that letting the S-300 go operational in Syria would mean the IAF will need “extra warplanes” and “a concerted effort for each strike event.”

I would really want to know the amount of aircrafts from the US and Israel would take to knock this system out (this is not even anywhere close to what their modern air defense networks could do). Instead of them so being against it they should just let Syria turn it on if really is that easy to take care of as everyone here says it is.

@panzerfeist1 There wasn’t a single word about this:
“Israel is very highly against the entire system even being turned on that they were mostly talking about destroying the thing before it turns on”

Like you claimed

@mig31bn the source was from timesofisrael just in case if you forgot that the source was there after my statement.

It looks to me like a Resolution problem.

The important and interesting question about this additional S-300 is not the WHEN, but WHERE.
It will most likely be much closer to Israeli [Border, than say Tartus S-300 Battery.

One important question would be whether this delivery IF it happens, has any effect on deterring IDF strikes in Syria. Not holding my breath. Israel will continue to attack targets inside Syria if it deems the threat credible and short of all out war against them there isn’t much anyone else can do. It would be the same for US/NATO strike aircraft if they wish to attack targets inside Syria for whatever reason. The S-300’s would be dealt with, deconflicted (if the Russians operate them) or worked around.

There are reports that the Latakia S-400 system did infact track both the Il-20M and the F-16. So much for the Russian not having their AD gear “turned on”.

I have seen many reports from 5 months ago that Israel is very highly against the entire system even being turned on that they were mostly talking about destroying the thing before it turns on.

What reports ? “unnamed officials” from sputnik ?

Not sure how delivering some new missiles systems to the Syrians will change much overall. The Syrian military already must have one serious air defence system as it is – thousands of missiles available – hundreds of them already fired at the Israeli air force with little to show for it. One Israeli aircraft shot down.

Would you see no difference in the capacity of USAF if they still used Phantoms instead of F-22s? That is the rough equivalent of the SAMs Syria has today compared to state of the art. Not to speak of IAD infrastructure and the rest of supporting assets any serious military should have and are completely missing in Syrian case.
As to the rest of your assumptions, they are false too. Both in regards of the capacities of S-300 compared to S-200 (which can engage only one target at a time and has one missile per launcher, apart from having completely outdated electronics) to the fact that Syria will receive modern command and control equipment to coordinate their AD and see what the Russian radars see, which is alone a total game changer for IAF beyond the already difficult situation they have today after a modest modernisation of existing SAM systems and delivery of some Pantsirs (in case you didn’t notice, IAF only performs attacks with stand-off weapons since a while) and which has caused more loses than the single fighter acknowledged.

So they don’t mind on still deploying the s-300pmu2s despite the presence of F-22s and F-35s. It looks like they are not backing down on their words either. I have seen many reports from 5 months ago that Israel is very highly against the entire system even being turned on that they were mostly talking about destroying the thing before it turns on. US and Israel only warned Russia of the move https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-warns-russia-deploying-s-300-in-syria-would-be-major-mistake/. So when they are deploying it will they be deploying a mobile defense network along with an air force? I am thinking that the mobilization would be very quick considering how far Syria is from Russia.

Anyone think Israel will now be forced to be friends with Syria?

[USER=”20563″]haavarla[/USER]
“What does it take for IDF to attack such S-300 battery where they risk kill Russian servicemen?”
Israel never minded the Russians using an S-400 or S-300 even though it covered their airspace. They are more highly against the Syrians operating them.

new video about shot down of il-20 and killing of 15 highly trained expensive russian officers.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=378&v=rlz4TSKSaAI

Now some comment – this was bound to happen -Russians got what they deserved , it was only the question of time… You are at war, you have allies , and you have a deal with enemy side to bomb your allies whenever /whereever they want.- disgusting deal. Usa would never do that…. You respect interests of other sides(izrael turkey usa ) and they are enemy of your ally- Syria. Usa occupies tanf and has no fly zone over euphrates and tanf and you respect that ? what about your own interests – Russians complain only 1 min was given as a warning, thats what they are complaining about, not that they let Izrael orgy in Syrian airspace all these years, …what a humiliation.
old USSR would have closed off whole syrian airspace 100% for everyone except its and syrian planes..
Why didnt s-400 defend that il-20 and shot down some f-16??
They bomb your ally few miles from s-400 and you call it tragic mistake…putins rating is seriously shaken after this he was elected by jew oligarhs as new president after yeltsin thats not a coincidence, maybe someone more serious as shoigu will take the lead.

You guys don’t get it. What Russia is now doing is creating a Fog of War situation, where there will be both Russian and Syrian crew operating S-300. It means they are sort of Immune towards IDF.
What does it take for IDF to attack such S-300 battery where they risk kill Russian servicemen?

Well the Russians can’t do that – if they did that they would be taking sides with the Syrians against the Israelis – they wouldn’t be neutral anymore. The Russian and the Israelis have already made agreements about this, levels of demarcations and what not.

You guys don’t get it. What Russia is now doing is creating a Fog of War situation, where there will be both Russian and Syrian crew operating S-300. It means they are sort of Immune towards IDF.
What does it take for IDF to attack such S-300 battery where they risk kill Russian servicemen?

Not sure how delivering some new missiles systems to the Syrians will change much overall. The Syrian military already must have one serious air defence system as it is – thousands of missiles available – hundreds of them already fired at the Israeli air force with little to show for it. One Israeli aircraft shot down.

The important and interesting question about this additional S-300 is not the WHEN, but WHERE.
It will most likely be much closer to Israeli Border, than say Tartus S-300 Battery.

And it would be embarassing if they shot down a F-35… (lets hope not and no casualties)

They just don’t have to use them to be safe (they can still fire using their old S-200 I guess).

This could get embarrassing if Israel just knocks them straight down with their F-35s.