T2 Jags – Talk To Me

There’s a nice ground runnable JayPee Mk.5 near me for £10K

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a gnat was mentioned for brunty but i think all the available airframes left in the uk other than flyers are rotters , and after talking to DeHav about there’s when they were waiting for it to fly an absolute leccy nightmare. It’s a pity as a lot were handled through brunty when they were sold off from all the tech schools. Mind you i’ve seen some of the aircraft that us trainees used to work on and well you have to laugh !!! Tim would probably agree. We should try and get one of cosford new “realistic” airfix kits ground running then you’s see all the systems running through the plexiglass skins

Are there any available? And if so they would go at a hefty price tag for a potential runner.
XZ995 sold for 17k back in 2000 and that was a bag of bolts.
Also incredibly difficult to get some of the bits for, as I’m finding with my cockpit project.

Maybe a Harrier??

Just been looking over the post on the brilliant Harrier cockpit restoration.. Would it not be good to look at a Harrier GR3/T4 for ground running as they seem to go for less money than Jags?? Any thoughts guys??

Just thinking though Ben, with that sort of money have you considered investing in an aviation related course, engineering or maybe even some kind of flying scholarship course, buy your project in the future when your earning nice money.
It’s easy to take the wrong path sometimes (especially at your age) and then later regret it – and I should know!:o

I would strongly agree with james on this one Ben,its not the price of aquisition that is the important figure…it is the upkeep etc that costs the real gazillions.Even with all the problems that having a syndicate/share can bring….it cuts the costs/workload dramatically.
Also when you have an aircraft that has a ‘hissy fit’ then 3 or 4 brains make fault finding easier.
Where I work – we have a very experienced team…but we are all from very different engineering backgrounds and that diverse experience is extremely useful.
But to return to James’s OP – why ‘play’ on the ground when for that kind of money you might be able to fund a pilots licence etc (not knocking ground runners/taxyers btw -its all good stuff).

rgds baz

you chaps managed to rebuild a Frightning though? :diablo:

What does a complete hunter go for nowadays?

I saw a Hunter just outside Classic Flight/Airbase, no wheel clamps, looked abandoned to me…..

Put your pikey head on and appropriate that one ! ? :diablo:

Not that I would condone theft or criminal acts…. but it was looking a bit lost….

Insane – but go for it :diablo:

Hey – just noticed – this is my 226th post and it’s about a Jaguar T Bird – spooky or what……… and if you don’t understand that was the OCU number.

How about a Gnat?

Yes a Hunter would be a good one or somethign smaller say a JP or something?

I would go the hunter route. Preferably a 2 seater. Only one engine to think about and plenty of spares.

Considering buying a T2 jag sometime next year for a fast taxi project…

…does anyone know where else i might be able to get one? and for what sort of price?

Here’s 13 of 25+ that I have seen today, some live and regularly taxied aswel!
They’re not for sale though:p

Just thinking though Ben, with that sort of money have you considered investing in an aviation related course, engineering or maybe even some kind of flying scholarship course, buy your project in the future when your earning nice money.
It’s easy to take the wrong path sometimes (especially at your age) and then later regret it – and I should know!:o

Vampire – If you’re going to do one, it has to be kept indoors – end of story. Once the pod starts to go, its game over. Not so bad on a static, but on a runner?

Meteor – engines are not that easy, and there are two of them.

Dont invest more than you can afford to lose.

Bruce

Cant be helped mate 🙂 Looking on the bright side, it now means I can pour my fanatical enthusiasm into something else 🙂

vampire would be nice! Also thinking about a meteor?

Mmm, even nicer!

By the way really sorry to hear your Shack news, seems to be a growing trend at the moment:mad:

The next obvious question – where will you keep/taxy it?

My plan was to sweet talk Mike Littler at wellesbourne, comes into my pub quite a bit. Keg of doom bar would do 😉

All good suggestions chaps, I think the other thinking from stuart would be good, vampire would be nice! Also thinking about a meteor?

Your definition of “simple rigger” and mine obviously differ vastly John…software!? databus!? That’s green fairy talk! 😀

Then again, I was a Canberra rigger…:p

Vampire?

I would go with t’others on here, and go the Hunter route, plenty about and fairly cheap.
The next obvious question – where will you keep/taxy it?
BTW loads of live Jags at the airshow I was at today!!

A lot depends on the mod state of the aircraft. for T2 you’re looking at Mk102/Mk104 engines for which spares are thin on the ground, A T4 would have more spares available for the Mk 106 engines, but they’re more heavy on the software and have a 1553 databus to talk to the airframe. I’m a simple rigger and much as i’d like Jag to run, I wouldn’t like to take it on. Static cockpit for me…eh Paul C 😉

John

Not an expert on jets so I can’t offer any personal experience but everything said here seems to make sense.
There are comparisons in the classic car world though. At one time a nice 1970’s Lotus Esprit was probably £15000 to £20000 BUT the servicing costs (partly because everything was so inaccessible) were horrendous as were prices for some of the Lotus parts.
A rough one could be bought for £8000 to £10000 but the first work most rough ones needed was a complete rear suspension build including the fabricated rear suspension arms which were something like £400 a side. I met at least two people who bought rough cars because they were within their budget and landed up moving them on at a huge loss because they became bottomless money pits and they would never have been able to afford the servicing costs had they got them to the point where they were likely to be viable (or as viable as an old Lotus can ever be) as regular transport.
The moral of the story is please be very careful before parting with your cash and do a proper analysis of all the costs involved in restoring, running and maintaining your potential pride and joy before you part with any cash at all. I know from your posts that you have put a lot of work into WR963 and I would hate to see you or any other forum member jump into a project and lose their savings because they didn’t appreciate the full costs from the outset.