TAP A310 Airshow

It seems to be a common practice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzidphcp6N8&mode=related&search=

at least there were no passenger on board…:diablo:

No one has that extreme fun anymore 😀

James

Because it usually ends up in death.

No one has that extreme fun anymore 😀

James

Breathtaking and reckless! That scenario could have ended very differently. An irresponsible use of Portuguese state assets if nothing else. I love a spirited display as much as the next man, especially with an airliner, but from the angle of the shots here it looks like a lucky escape with that turn. I’m with AFTS on this one.

How in the world can you tell that the Airbus was “on the verge of a stall”? Seriously, you need to tone down the over dramatization of the event. Your list of possible catastrophic outcomes is the same junk we see on the evening news when some local thinks they have all the answers regarding an aviation event. Rarely, if ever, are modern airliners on such a razor’s edge of performance that a nearby cow fart could bring it down.

I think the only portion of the event that is rightfully drawing attention was the high bank angle turn at a low altitude.

And dont forget that its a much bigger plane so you all think it should not be that low or be doing that at all and that its only for Smaller aircraft like Yaks ,Spitfires, Extra 300’s ,Typhoons etc But I think it only did 4 flybys I would of love to seen that its just like a fast jet doing a low flypast.

James

I disagree. The Airbus is also on the verge of stall below an altitude a recovery can be made. They both were pushing the aircraft to the limits without leaving a decent margin of error. All it would take would be an electrical power surge, a gust of wind, a change of wind direction, wind shear such as an invisible dust devil, power surge, a bird strike, a minor miscalculation of the pilot, a slip of the controls, a minor failure, ect… stall-crash-explode-burn.

How in the world can you tell that the Airbus was “on the verge of a stall”? Seriously, you need to tone down the over dramatization of the event. Your list of possible catastrophic outcomes is the same junk we see on the evening news when some local thinks they have all the answers regarding an aviation event. Rarely, if ever, are modern airliners on such a razor’s edge of performance that a nearby cow fart could bring it down.

I think the only portion of the event that is rightfully drawing attention was the high bank angle turn at a low altitude.

Thank you for reminding me always to fly TAP! They have the world’s best pilots. They know when “racking” into a 45 degree bank on a “go around” that the left wing tip is excactly 6 feet above ground. (Not 10 feet – not minus 2 feet). Another accident waiting to happen! When this clown rolls himself – and sadly, I guess, a few innocents – into a Bud Holland fireball. All that fuss about air show safety … forget it. It will all be outlawed.
PJC.
ATCO for 32 years (and display director).

IMAO The airshow airbus flight demonstration was gross public endangerment. I think the pilot, TAP, and airshow personnel should be investigated and reviewed for their disregard for safety. There also seems to be some corruption issues to allow such systemic neglect of public safety.

It is very disturbing that despite the massive public criticism (many of them knowledgeable professionals) of the unsafe demonstration, that TAP, and airshow officials still stand behind the recklessness. It rings of a PR cover up/conspiracy and cronyism to support such carelessness in modern times. They act as if they are Untouchables and people’s lives don’t matter.

It’s amazing that an airline such a good safety record should resort to such carelessness of public safety for a publicity stunt in modern times.

It’s amazing that so many people are blinded by product loyalties and patriotism that they would allow such reckless behavior, and attack those that criticize the recklessness.

Looking at it from this angle you realise just how close to the ground he was
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfhC9ft_hk&mode=related&search=

To me the altitude of the low pass in itself is a little shady but acceptable. However there is a combination of factors that make it unacceptable IMAO.

Did you notice the proximity of the pass to the aircraft parked in a nice neat row all along the side of the flight path?

Have you ever heard of the phrase (or its variations) “departure from controlled flight”. What if something went wrong for a second or two at the start of the high-speed run and the plane veered into the park aircraft or the audience.

Hear of the story of Saber pilot that shot down a MiG in N Korea, as the MiG was trying to make an emergency landing at its airbase, and it crashed through the parked fighters that were parked in a nice neat row and they all were engulfed in flames? The Sabre pilot possibly wiped out an entire squadron by shooting down one airplane.

The MiG was a smaller airplane with less fuel flying slower, so an Airbus crashing into the flight line could do a lot more damage.

Do you remember the video of an airliner cartwheeling through a cornfield? Do you remember the videos of the MiGs cartwheeling through the airshow audience? After seeing these videos of TAP, it’s real easy to imagine an Airbus cartwheeling through and airshow audience.
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(Imagine a departure from normal controlled flight just prior to flying over the spectators for the photo opp.)

A310 Portugal Airshow 2007 Evora II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXGTfSS3AnQ

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Here is a video of a model biplane that crashes into a crowd and kills two people and injures four. If this much damage can result from such a small model airplane, just imagine what a full-size Airbus could do, particularly if it had a chance to crash into other fueled aircraft to spread fire and shrapnel.

http://www.hirado.hu/cikk.php?id=116485

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I was contacted by an individual that claimed to be part of airshow “security”. He claimed I didn’t know anything about aviation or safety, yet he supported the reckless Airbus display. He doesn’t seem to know hardly anything about safety or aircraft. He brags that if they moved the show any closer that more of the workers and audience would get peppered from gravel and other debris stirred up by the flyby wake. It’s hard to believe such ignorance and arrogance. It seems to be a systemic sociopathic behavior of ego and lack of compassion.

In some ways it is funny when an individual that has videos of kids combat flight simulations, claims to know more then experts. The sad thing is that this individual could possibly be part of the airshow team, judging by the recklessness and carelessness.

The individual flaunts shallow rhetoric, hyperbole, and jargon as if he is trying to intimidate and impress me. With me it has the opposite affect. It’s like a Chihuahua that barks excessively and nips at your heels to try to impress you.

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There is danger at air shows, however it insane to take unreasonable and unnecessary risks. At an airshow that is run properly there is little chance of spectators being injured. It really burns me up, that as many times that there has been crashes, that so many people refuse to learn from the crashes. There are some individuals that will refuse to learn from mistakes, they are so arrogant that they insist to continue behavior that has been proven to be dangerous.

Looking at it from this angle you realise just how close to the ground he was
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfhC9ft_hk&mode=related&search=

In the B52 accident he stalled the wing because of his angle and speed you can’t really compare it to the A310 manoeuvre

I disagree. The Airbus is also on the verge of stall below an altitude a recovery can be made. They both were pushing the aircraft to the limits without leaving a decent margin of error. All it would take would be an electrical power surge, a gust of wind, a change of wind direction, wind shear such as an invisible dust devil, power surge, a bird strike, a minor miscalculation of the pilot, a slip of the controls, a minor failure, ect… stall-crash-explode-burn.

There are many other similarities the more you analyze that are very eerie and give me déjà vu. Even some of the spectator comments are very similar. The excuses and rationalization for the safety violations are essentially the same.

They both did low level flyovers of spectators and did maneuvers over spectators, which in all the air shows I have been at, are violations.

I think it also is an air show regulation of most or all air shows that aerobatic maneuvers must be tested and perfected before trying at an air show. It seems that the B-52 pilot and possibly even the Airbus pilot was trying maneuvers that hadn’t been fully tested. It seems the Airbus pilot may not have done all the maneuvers before. It sounds like their simulation excuse, it is a claim that the maneuver was done before the air show. I was under the impression that simulation is encouraged for practice, but does not qualify as perfecting and demonstrating new maneuvers and routines prior to air shows.

The simulation aspect is also apparently used to downplay the danger as trying to explain away the danger as a diversion. Simulation is great for practice, however the mentality and consequences are different. If you crash in a simulation, it’s no big deal. If you crash a real plane at an air show, the consequences are much more severe and permanent.

I think the problem with the B-52 pilot and the Airbus pilot is psychology. They are flying their aircrafts as if it is a video game and there is no consequences to failure. Push all the way to the limit, and leave little or no margin for error. They need to start flying like safety conscious responsible adults flying real airplanes, instead of acting like spoiled irresponsible children playing video games.

They are also similar in the fact that they both seemed to buzz parked aircraft in a manner that would’ve taken out all the parked aircraft along the flight line if they departed from normal controlled flight for a second or two.

If people keep on flying aircraft in this manner, I think it is just a question of time before there is a crash, considering that some of them seem to be flying with lower air shows safety standards, I think there is an alarming risk to the spectators.

There is always some risk, it’s a manner of trying to keep the risks reasonably minimal.

In the B52 accident he stalled the wing because of his angle and speed you can’t really compare it to the A310 manoeuvre

It seriously doesn’t look like it to me.

Looks like he got it rather wrong tbh!

I agree. Look how close the wing is to the ground, the pilot wouldn’t have much of an idea how close it was in the cockpit.

Being an air show i’m sure the height and manoeuvre would have been sanctioned by air traffic authority at the time

It seriously doesn’t look like it to me.

Looks like he got it rather wrong tbh!

Think its safe to say that he is not trying to be Bud Holland, But trying to be the best A310 pilot there is:D

James

IMHAO I think the TAP A310 pilot is another Bud Holland wanabe. I would ground him and not let him fly unless his attitude on safety improves. I would yank the airshow ticket and review it and TAP.

A310 Portugal Airshow 2007 Evora I

TAP A310 low fly past causes a stir at Evora air show
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/09/17/216834/video-tap-a310-low-fly-past-causes-a-stir-at-evora-air-show.html

Low pass wing waggle over spectators

I think the authorities should get reamed too.

A310 Portugal Airshow 2007 Evora II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXGTfSS3AnQ

I think the crew and air show authorities should have to watch this video and study this case.
Mishap of B-52 at Fairchild Air Force Base Washington

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fairchild_Air_Force_Base_B-52_crash

http://s92270093.onlinehome.us/CRM-Devel/resources/paper/darkblue/darkblue.htm

http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=14464006

http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites/Czar52Crash.htm

Being an air show? That must be interesting!

That was very low.

FRIGGIN’ CRAZY!!!

Seriousy though, I bet the pilot got into abit of trouble 😮

Being an air show i’m sure the height and manoeuvre would have been sanctioned by air traffic authority at the time

WOW thats a mega RNZAF eat you’re heart out! Was it just a flypast but the pilot got a bit too low? 😀

James