teacher aquitted

Runway06 -“Discipline (obviously not to that extreme!) is the Answer. And it all starts at home with the parents and also in the school.”

Exactly and coupled with respect. Now children are encouraged to be “adults” when they are 6. Whatever words are used to describe it our social structure has broken down. And my experience of other countries where I have spent a great deal of time in the last 40 years is that the UK experience is not shared elsewhere.

There, the family unit, in which children are children and where there is respect for their elders predominates. It is seen as old fashioned and fuddy-duddy in the UK but it is this lynchpin which held together the relationships between children and parents and children and teachers.

My mother taught all her life in some truly awful inner city elementary schools, but even she would be appalled at way some schools are run today, and the attitudes of parents, children and staff.

Hat off to anyone having the “desire” to be a teacher, it is not something you would see me doing.

The teachers have no real power to control situations, and are generally the real victims.

If that’s the case, how come attacks on teachers and loutish behaviour in the classroom were unheard of in the days when corporal punishment was widely carried out?

Maybe a bit more respect for teachers and other persons ‘in authority’ was also a factor? I know when I was growing up such social behaviour was drilled into me and I’d never dream of being rude to my ‘elders’.

I recall once breaking a friends kitchen window with a football by accident and we decided to cover it up and I was in dread of a policeman calling round to find out the culprit of this terrible crime…
In the end the parents got the truth out of my mate (he squealed) and my parents paid for the window but I certainly knew about it for a good time afterwards (not due to physical punishment but financial and reminders).

Now they’d just gob off at anyone and everyone if challenged, no doubt quoting their human rights as you say.

I think part of the problem stems from this ’empowerment’ of youth by this government and the knowledge that they only have to cry “human rights” to make the ‘powers that be’ back off or treat them with kid gloves, when what they really need is a good skelp. It is one thing to ensure that children are not mistreated but a step too far when they get to have a say in who gets employed as a teacher or press for rights they should earn….

So bludgeoning a 14 year old with a 3kg weight while shouting die die die is ok…
Corporal Punishment is a crock,Ive seen countless kids hit with the stick and worse,it made no difference at all ,they where back for more the day after.

If that’s the case, how come attacks on teachers and loutish behaviour in the classroom were unheard of in the days when corporal punishment was widely carried out?

I went to two secondary schools, the first one had no corporal punishment and it was absolute hell, with teachers cheeked, attacked and kids in fear of being knifed. The second one had corporal punishment and it was a different world, kids behaved, there was no yobbish behaviour and you felt safe in school.

All we hear now is that it’s against the yobs “human” rights to be punished, shouted at etc. Those parents who allow their brats to be out of control should be prosecuted for the misery it causes to others. If people don’t like that, or think I’m harsh, then that’s just tough.

teaching is much more than beating a child to get them to listen,its about engaging a class and making a subject interesting.

Seems he was held in high regard by previous pupils…

A jury trying a teacher accused of attempting to murder a pupil with a dumbbell has heard he was “charismatic” and commanded his students’ respect.

Peter Harvey, 50, denies attempted murder at All Saints’ Roman Catholic School, Mansfield, in July 2009.

The teacher was also described at Nottingham Crown Court as a “caring and giving” man, who looked after his wife as she fought severe depression.

The jury retired to consider its verdict on Thursday afternoon.

His victim, a 14-year-old boy, suffered a fractured skull.

Along with the attempted murder charge, Mr Harvey also denies causing grievous bodily harm with intent, but has admitted a charge of causing grievous bodily harm.

‘Extraordinary teacher’

Caroline Frith, a former pupil of Mr Harvey, told the court she had been inspired to become a history teacher by the defendant.

She said: “He was a very good teacher in every aspect. He was incredibly charismatic and he commanded the respect of his students.

“He put a lot of planning into his work and he could get the children involved and enthused about science.”

Nick Harding, a magistrate and friend of Mr Harvey’s for 20 years, described him as an “extraordinary” teacher.

He said: “Peter was devoted to the job and about his subject. Peter is a very caring, loving and giving man. I have never seen him be anything but that.”

In this man defence his lack of class control should have been picked up on the heads observation inspection.

And maybe he was let down by the school authorities who maybe should have suspended/expelled the little ‘angel’ before this was allowed to spiral out of control…

Taking the stand, the boy denied accusations he had disrupted lessons nine times in the year before the attack.

A classmate admitted pupils would secretly film teachers as others tried to “wind them up”. The footage was then shown around the school because it was “funny”.

Students were filmed calling Mr Harvey a “psycho” in the moments leading up to the attack.

So bludgeoning a 14 year old with a 3kg weight while shouting die die die is ok…
Corporal Punishment is a crock,Ive seen countless kids hit with the stick and worse,it made no difference at all ,they where back for more the day after.

As for this teacher,he will be prosecuted for GBH, and rightly so ,and hell probably never teach again,and rightly so.

teaching is much more than beating a child to get them to listen,its about engaging a class and making a subject interesting.
In this man defence his lack of class control should have been picked up on the heads observation inspection.

Yes, it was right, he should not have been on trial in the first place. Those on trial should be the parents of those out of control louts who make everyone’s lives hell. If the brat had been brought up properly and disciplined and taught respect, this would most likely never have happened.

There is nothing wrong with corporal punishment, it works and standards have plummeted since it was abolished in favour of giving kids all the rights without any responsibilities.

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Discipline (obviously not to that extreme!) is the Answer. And it all starts at home with the parents and also in the school. Teachers and parents need more support from the community. There is a mega break down with the young in society at the moment and we wonder why?
Hoodies, gangs, disprespect for elders and Knives and crime are all the fashion at the moment. It’s not working and how for how long do we reason with these kids giving them excuses all the time.

He was goaded by the evil little b@st@rds pupils, to the point where he snapped (which is what they wanted) – he shouldn’t have been returned to work.
Teaching has become such a stressful occupation with unruly students, assaults (verbal and physical) on staff, threats, unsupportive management, targets, and lots more to add to the workload of staff. I know, I hear the problems every evening my wife comes home…:mad:

Yes,as long as they convict him of GBH on his return to court.