Terror incident in London

Sorry if I have missed what you are trying to say but two self-confessed Muslims savagely murdered an unarmed man in broad daylight. Where is he now? He’s dead and his family do not need to be reminded of the fact.

Well we can blame it on the person, not the terrorist, we can never tell if a persons a terrorist or they are. This incident was very sad and London lost a fallen soldier which is terrible. I wonder we’re he is now…. Death is seriously weird in that Standards. Wonder how does it look alike in After death. Hope the guy can spend his life in a Death Penalty or just lock the guy up who killed the soldier for life until he dies.

R.I.P Soldier

So the protests start.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22739189

BTW why have the police taken to wearing sky blue baseball caps?

They ought to load him in a plane and drop him over somewhere inhospitable and see where his training gets him 🙂

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AHHH Right Thanks .

Out of interest who is the guy in the photograph?

An idiot that likes posing as a member or ex-member of HM Forces. Until he was rumbled he had an active Facebook page.

Photo posted on his FB page during March.

Some recent example of others that like to dress up and fake military or service history.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1233634/Fake-war-veteran-Roger-Day-Medals-pukka–Im-sworn-silence-I-won-them.html

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/charged-false-servicemen-claim-secretive-past-20120927-26nsc.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2021592/Benefits-cheat-John-Livesey-escaped-jail-thanks-fantasy-Falklands-heroics.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/2445041/TVs-SAS-hero-Bob-Spour-is-a-fraud.html

Out of interest who is the guy in the photograph?

Simple answer A. Tw*t.
Either that or he’s a senior inspector on Bedford busses–I can’t quite see which from here…..

Andy & Charlie,

I can assure you that you’re not alone in your distaste for mawkish public display. ‘Decent reticence’, ‘private grief’, ‘stiff upper lip’ all of these have little meaning for what seems to be most people.

Stoicism is no more.

Andy
No it’s not just you. I posted similarly much earlier and had no response which left me worried that mine was a lone voice. Public grief of the sort which is becoming ever more common sickens me and I worry for those who participate.

No problem, Jim. Thanks for the reply.

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The following Walter Mitty character was photographed by a news photographer at Woolwich. Why do these idiots think that they won’t be found out? The media labelled him as an “SAS Captain”.

Out of interest who is the guy in the photograph?

Thanks chaps – but, none of that answers my point. The three examples I gave, were very efficiently – according to reports – killed by the Police. There have been at least another three examples I could have given that reached the same conclusion – instant death.

What was it about the Woolwich killing that appeared to alter the situation?

Based upon my personal experiences of similar situations – although a long time ago, I do not think that Police judgment and skill with small arms is to be trusted. Far better to use selected Service units on permanent rotated standby to deal with any similar eventuality.

If, as I believe could be the case, the events of Woolwich, in time, become more frequent then, the use of Army units might become the norm.

Very straightforward answer to this, it is down to the perception of the situation at the time and the resource available. The words ‘Armed Police’ are key, they would be armed with Semi-Auto MP5s or a Glock 17, both loaded with 9mm dumdum rounds, designed to lose energy on penetration and therefore not carry through and wound passers by. One of those in the thigh will ruin any future chance of appearances on Strictly Come Dancing.
The Drunken Lawyer was, from memory, waving a shotgun around and had fired out of the window, the officer in this case is refered to as a Police Marksman who would have used a HK G3 with a 7.62mm un-jacketed round. Again, this round is an impact round, designed to cavitate inside the body and even an extremity hit by such ammunition is going to sign you off work permanently. This is a precision weapon, specifically intended to take out someone who represents a significant danger (as a man waving a shotgun a people does!) from a safe distance. In the desperately sad case on the tube, it was assumed that the back pack was a bomb, armed police (note, not Police Marksman/men) responded as they had been trained to do so, minimizing the perceived risks to the public.
I am not familiar with the case of the pensioner so cannot comment.

However

There is a general understanding that ‘Shoot to incapacitate’ is not a recommended procedure as a wounded person can still use a back up weapon or a suicide device. I think it is likely that the two men in London were very, very lucky.

Is it me..?
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No, its not just you… I find myself just turning the TV off these days, rather than even bothering to shout at it… especially ‘The News’..

Andy. I remember the days, that when a person died in our street, and the funeral procession past, all the curtains of every house were closed.That is all the respect that was needed.And I bet it was all the family who lost that person wanted, to show their respect in that manner.
When I pop my clogs, they can bury me in the back garden, after all, I won’t be able to see flowers, or, (If I am bloody lucky) see any friends turn up.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Is it me..?
Or am I now so out of touch with the dynamics of modern society that I’m lost..?
I’ve watched with a sense of mounting distaste in the last days, the ever growing carnival which surrounds the murder of Lee Rigby.
On Sunday it seems to me, that bored Londoners in need of an afternoon out in the Sun, trotted down to Woolwich to be treated to the spectacle of ‘Hells Angels’ parading on their Harley Davidsons (although I doubt the HA were there–just more artistic license from the semi-literate who work for the Daily Mail), various types of reinactors, and no doubt flower sellers turning a healthy buck–all in the name of remembrance.
I was mildly surprised that there wasn’t a conjuror and a steel band to be honest and I was waiting for the Mail reporter to inform me that there was a ‘carnival atmosphere’. What the bl**dy hell happened to private grief in this country–or just plain old fashioned respect–or even just being a private citizen–going about his or her daily business?
It seems to me that the masses need to be entertained somehow or other, and they are now so spoon fed on media sh*te that they are incapable of even beginning to think for themselves.

And last night, on visiting my parents. My 85 year old Mother made the following observation about Le Rigby’s family and that press conference.
And I quote:- “If anything happened to any of you lot, the last place I’d be is on there (meaning the TV) wailing and howling to give them something to write about. I wouldn’t show myself up..!”

And I sometimes wonder where I get it from….

No problem, Jim. Thanks for the reply.

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The following Walter Mitty character was photographed by a news photographer at Woolwich. Why do these idiots think that they won’t be found out? The media labelled him as an “SAS Captain”.

It should be reported that the family of one of the Woolwich assailants has made a most moving apology and plea for forgiveness that conveys the utmost sincerity and contrition.

Can’t help. Not nearly enough information in the public domain I’m afraid.

It will be interesting to learn the full story one day.

Moggy

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Wth respect, I think that you miss a point. I accept the accuracy of your comment. The only people who really know are the people who were there. I understand that there are some on this forum who have intimate and specialised knowledge of just how the police operate during the matters described and I was anticipating their expertise in accounting for the difference between the outcome of the examples I gave and the outcome of the events at Woolwich. That’s all.

My condolences to the family and friends of that soldier. May he RIP. Such a shame. I can only hope justice is swift on his murderers.