That '109' at Wattisham.

Starfire/DaveM2 – wouldn’t it be strange if he hadn’t a grave?

EN830, I totally agree. I really want to see this bird. If anyone can tell me how… PLEASE 🙂

Be nice if he would let her appear at lets say Legends before shipping to the States.

Pilot Fw.Eduard Hemmerling , 3 victories , is classed as MIA … with no known grave .

BTW: This month´ “Flugzeug Classic” reports, Fw. Hemmerling scored his last victory the day he was shot down and crash-landed at the beach near Wissant (that should be Cape Blanc Nez?). He died from his injuries the following day.

Hurricane AE977, now at Chino.

Ahh, I stand corrected. Evidently without the rounded wingtip fitted?

What’s the wingtip of the second aircraft in the photo? Looks like another ‘109?

Hurricane AE977, now at Chino.

It’s a fantastic re/new-build indeed! Fantastic to see an airworthy E-model!

BUT, will we (in the UK) be able to actually see it with our own eyes? Is it or will it be accessible in any way before if disappears to the States, never to be seen again? And even better, will it give any flying displays in the UK before it heads off west?

So what we have here is actually a very late production 109?

I love them, keep them coming in Staffeln bitte

Cees

The original starting point of this project was a corroded lower cockpit section with part wing attached. The equivalent in Spitfire terms of frame 5 firewall to frame 8 instrument station. Both of the u/c legs and both of the cast steel u/c fuselage mounting structures carried the ID 1342. The lower heavy duty longitudinals were marginal and just beyond recovery but the main cockpit carry through spar upper and the web plate fittings were utilised as were anything on the wing structure that would pass muster.

Of course it is basically all new airframe sheet metal but I do not think we should doubt the ID. As to quantity of original material, it is honest and transparent and certainly no more or no less than several current Spitfire projects that emanated out of SAAF Snake Valley and certainly more than a couple of flying Spitfires I don’t care to name.

As to fit out it is staggeringly fully loaded with original materials, fixtures and fittings scoured world-wide. All new manufactured items are to works drawings and metric standards.

Mark

What’s the wingtip of the second aircraft in the photo? Looks like another ‘109?

As to quantity of original material, it is honest and transparent

As far as I’m concerned, this is the most important point. I don’t think it’s possible to make a definitive statement on what’s original and what’s not. For some people it ceases to be original once you change the spark plugs, whereas someone else will say that if you screw an original dataplate on, then it will be an original plane. As long as there’s honesty and transparency it allows people to make up their own mind on it, as there is no definitive answer.

A bit more than that Dave – The provenance

I think it is something to do with a dual identity appearing further down the track, if the remains of 1342 are recovered ( really this is still not 100 % certain as an undercarriage leg could have been swapped with another aircraft during repairs), it means someone else won’t be able find, rebuild and register it as well. It is a ‘safe’ identity as the wherabouts of the remains are known..they are in store or have been destroyed by the shop that remanufactured it. That’s my understanding of why ‘1342’ was used anyway. Certainly possible some of the remains were used as patterns, but Charlestone would have most likely had enough good parts from other aircraft ( and in collaboration with Airframe Assemblies ), to use those anyway.

Dave

The original starting point of this project was a corroded lower cockpit section with part wing attached. The equivalent in Spitfire terms of frame 5 firewall to frame 8 instrument station. Both of the u/c legs and both of the cast steel u/c fuselage mounting structures carried the ID 1342. The lower heavy duty longitudinals were marginal and just beyond recovery but the main cockpit carry through spar upper and the web plate fittings were utilised as were anything on the wing structure that would pass muster.

Of course it is basically all new airframe sheet metal but I do not think we should doubt the ID. As to quantity of original material, it is honest and transparent and certainly no more or no less than several current Spitfire projects that emanated out of SAAF Snake Valley and certainly more than a couple of flying Spitfires I don’t care to name.

As to fit out it is staggeringly fully loaded with original materials, fixtures and fittings scoured world-wide. All new manufactured items are to works drawings and metric standards.

Mark

Re FHC

thanks Eddie – looks great – cant wait till his B17E Flies again

http://www.flyingheritage.com/ – visits are already possible.

Me 262 Engine

Rebuilding the Jumo’s with new alloys , bearings isn’t a problem for Mr Allen , its obvious money is not a problem as he is no 2 in the Microsoft Empire

I wonder if he will allow his collection to be viewed by the Public
it would be an amazing visit – particularly during one of his Flying Days

C’mon BofB remake :rolleyes: (no more ugly buc’s Daz :p )

Heathen! :p

Another Real (looking)Me-109 and she fly’s with a D.B.

Thank’s so muchly for posting the fantastic photo’s mate 😀 .

I reckon she’s a job well done!!!

I saw her first in CW(thank’s DaveM2), and she doe’s look so very nice, I must say she look’s like she has just come off the production line as new 🙂 ,
Just how many more D.B.s can the be left to rebuild :confused:

Someone said Sinister look’s,
Maybe the Demonised black crosse’s might still give some people a chill, I can only imagine this as I was born in Oz in 66, and have never been on the receiving end of any war’s like the people of Europe.

I think the 109 is a little Shark like, Year’s back I painted one of my 109 model’s with the Shark mouth’s some what like the P-40’s, It looked MAD :p .

And What’s all this about rebuilding JUMO’S.
Why bother, never really had that much grunt anyway, The guy must be as mad as Kermit :rolleyes: , Doe’s he really want the 262 that
ORIGINAL 😮 😮 .

Cheer’s all far and wide 😀 , Tally :dev2: Ho! :dev2: Ho! Phil :diablo: .

C’mon BofB remake :rolleyes: (no more ugly buc’s Daz :p )

I think it is something to do with a dual identity appearing further down the track, if the remains of 1342 are recovered ( really this is still not 100 % certain as an undercarriage leg could have been swapped with another aircraft during repairs), it means someone else won’t be able find, rebuild and register it as well. It is a ‘safe’ identity as the wherabouts of the remains are known..they are in store or have been destroyed by the shop that remanufactured it. That’s my understanding of why ‘1342’ was used anyway. Certainly possible some of the remains were used as patterns, but Charlestone would have most likely had enough good parts from other aircraft ( and in collaboration with Airframe Assemblies ), to use those anyway.

Dave

Messerschmitt 109E-3 wk.nr.1342 , possibly Yellow 8 of 6./JG51
Crashed onto the beach near Cape Blanc Nez , France on 29.07.40 after combat near Dover with F/L Johnny Webster of 41 Sqn. Pilot Fw.Eduard Hemmerling , 3 victories , is classed as MIA … with no known grave .
The wreck remains , consisting of one and a half wings , mainspar, undercarriage legs and some other small parts were recovered in 1988, after being uncovered by a severe storm. 1342 was found stamped on an undercariage leg.
Remanufactured by Craig Charlestone, originally for the AFC, Wanaka, but meant to be going to FHC Seattle.

None of 1342 made it into this machine, including a data plate, as there wasn’t one. It is a new aircraft that incorporates some original 109 parts..but of course from aircraft other than what it is painted to represent.
So it is in the category of the new Oscars, 190s and 262s, although being for Paul Allen , attention to detail is a cut above the rest !
Stunning achievement in its own right.

Ehhhm …. *confused*
So when no part of the wreckage made it into the 109, why made it 1342 into this thread after all? The way I understand it is, the AFC owned it once, and someone else bulit (not rebulit) a new 109. Did they use the remains of 1342 as patterns for the parts?

I agree Dave – it is a stunning achievement. There is something very sinister about 109s isn’t there…

Cheers

Elliot

None of 1342 made it into this machine, including a data plate, as there wasn’t one. It is a new aircraft that incorporates some original 109 parts..but of course from aircraft other than what it is painted to represent.
So it is in the category of the new Oscars, 190s and 262s, although being for Paul Allen , attention to detail is a cut above the rest !
Stunning achievement in its own right.

Dave

That is one beautiful aircraft. I wonder how much of it is original….?

NOT trying to kick of a replica vs real debate!!

Just curious.

Messerschmitt 109E-3 wk.nr.1342 , possibly Yellow 8 of 6./JG51
Crashed onto the beach near Cape Blanc Nez , France on 29.07.40 after combat near Dover with F/L Johnny Webster of 41 Sqn. Pilot Fw.Eduard Hemmerling , 3 victories , is classed as MIA … with no known grave .
The wreck remains , consisting of one and a half wings , mainspar, undercarriage legs and some other small parts were recovered in 1988, after being uncovered by a severe storm. 1342 was found stamped on an undercariage leg.
Remanufactured by Craig Charlestone, originally for the AFC, Wanaka, but meant to be going to FHC Seattle.

Dave