That could have been nasty…

ZRX. Rick, what were you doing a Vid for?. Surley this is an inducement for the other riders with you to ride faster, as it would make for better filming?.
And why was the rider doing a “U” turn on a solid line on his side of the road, seems it’s like it is over here, no Coppers about, lets go mad.;)
Jim.
Lincoln .7

One more time:

Explain the difference between all 5 of us stopping & only 4?

fair enough yiou can’t teach manners !!

Interesting choice for a cafe racer.
Will that be on ‘L’ plates??

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what exact relavence has that got to do with anything ?? yes on L plates

but a return after many years where i never felt the need to own a large machine as i was happy knocking about local roads in reasonable speed limits wich smaller bikes are more than capable of without insurance premiums akin to a mortgage

but i may add my first spell was as a full time biker not a sunny weekend warrior ten years in sun , rain , sleet , snow , ice and hailstone

in my first 2 yrs i had covered 24000 miles on bikes

some may have bigger bikes they escape to the hills on on sunday

and some of us ride high milage day in and day out

so which do you call a biker ??

presently i have an old cb100n that is getting a nut and bolt custom cafe racer build and a cm 125 daily use bike not quick or glamourous but good for the use they are being put to and ecconomical

Interesting choice for a cafe racer.
Will that be on ‘L’ plates??

As to the stopping business.
As I said, I might have stopped but if I had the bit between my teeth–well then you might have had to ask me again.

ZRX61, I might have missed something in all of this, what are you riding??
The bloke coming the other way probably felt luckey afterwards.

A.

So your basic problem is that to have ridden past shows a lack of courtesy and consideration…

…courtesy and consideration for a guy on a powerful bike, pushing it to and (apparently) beyond his ability on a public road? :rolleyes:

Actually all he did was lose his balance. The video doesn’t really show it, but that’s a fairly steep road. As I came around the corner he was just starting to pull out & do an illegal u-turn (no crossing over solid double yellows). When he saw me he grabbed a handful of front brake & fell on his ass.
He didn’t see the guy on the KTM until he flashed by in front of him, but by that time he was already on his butt.

The guy on the KTM confronted the Suzuki guy at the parking area just up the hill after they got themselves sorted out. The guy on the KTM was hauling butt, but he managed to aim for the only open space he could see. He could have maybe tightened his line & passed behind the fallen bike but he didn’t have much time to think, just react.

I could have passed either side of it, but when KTM guy went to his left, I had to go to mine.

The point is that if the guy on Suzuki hadn’t have seen me & grabbed his brake when he did, the KTM would have either hit him broadside on & my video would have been full of flying plastic, or he would have had to go further to his left which would have put him over the edge & into the canyon about 200ft below.

…there was no considderation for a downed biker…

…whilst it may no be compulsory it shows the standard of curtessy to other humans still i guess it would be difrent if it was him that rode past the exceptionaly experienced and in the right you…

So your basic problem is that to have ridden past shows a lack of courtesy and consideration…

…courtesy and consideration for a guy on a powerful bike, pushing it to and (apparently) beyond his ability on a public road? :rolleyes:

Sorry, you can’t take the moral-high-ground under those circumstances; this guy wasn’t on his way to work, he was looking for excitement by riding near to the limit of his ability and unfortunately he ended up on his ****! Fortunately it didn’t appear to be an accident that would lead to a life-threatening injury for him, or more importantly, anybody else. While he may not have deserved what he got surely he must have been aware that the way he was riding greatly increased the chances of something like this happening (with all the consequences for himself and other innocent parties) and yet he still chose to ride this way!

If you ride like that on a public road you must take responsibility for the consequences!

And, no, I wouldn’t expect to be treated differently had it been me in similar circumstances; in different circumstances, where serious injury was likely, I’d have stopped but in this case, no, I wouldn’t see the need.

Looks like my other assumption was correct. You REALLY don’t have the first frigging clue.

One more time:

Explain the difference between all 5 of us stopping & only 4?

What utter ********. Speed in itself isn’t dangerous at all, inappropriate speed however is. but you already knew that, didn’t you?

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speed limits were put there for a reason i assume “muppet boy ” would be a fair assumption of you from others come the innevitable day that you fall off

you are of course totaly correct speed never killed any biker it is usualy the rapid deceleration on an imovable object !!

Seriously? Are you THAT bloody clueless? One more time: Explain why my stopping would make ANY difference to the event? The other 4 were right behind me. Try watching the video AND pay attention, the guy was already getting up as I went round him.
There were 6 of us riding together. The mongfoolery happened between me & the lead rider. Neither I, nor any of the 4 other guys are telepathic. How do you suggest we let the lead know that 2/3rd of the bikes are now stopped?
How the hell is it that in your world my bike is wider that a Gixer 1000 is long?
How is my being in the left lane going to obscure a bike laying in the right lane?
Did you notice that the bike only moved about 6ft between muppetboy running out of talent & his frame slider snapping off?

You’re jumping to a bunch of baseless assumptions here that just make you appear to be a complete blithering idiot.:p

Here’s me making an assumption: I’m assuming you only watched the 1.35 video & not the full length version?

What utter ********. Speed in itself isn’t dangerous at all, inappropriate speed however is. but you already knew that, didn’t you?

& if it is me *next time*, the guys I ride with have been told to post any video of it ASAP.

you either have manners and considderation towards your own sort or you don’t your obvious appathy towards everything but yourself shows

mine had potential to be scarey if it had ever run properly for long enough !!

i was lumbered with a kwak tripple

Oh man, the storys (true, honest injun’) that I could relay about those things 😀
mainly involving my old mate from college ‘Martin’ & his collection of Kwacker triples H1E, H2A/B & C, he was clearly mad & escaped death on many occasions 😮

i’ve only got 8 months mot on my bike it will take longer than that to explain courtessy to you !!

least you could have done was stop to make sure no one behind you hit him because thier view of him was obscured by you

be honest all that mattered to you was filming your quick winding ride someone who could have been injured ( you had no real idea if he was or not ) in accidents adrenalin release does strange things and can take an hour to die off ( i have got up and walked with a smashed up ankle with bones popping out after a bike accident !! )

you can make all the excuses you want but all it boils down to is selfishness and all that mattered was what you wanted to do

the fact four out of five stopped is all the proof you need the guy behind you didn’t ride on and use the excuse 3 had stopped for him anyway !!

Seriously? Are you THAT bloody clueless? One more time: Explain why my stopping would make ANY difference to the event? The other 4 were right behind me. Try watching the video AND pay attention, the guy was already getting up as I went round him.
There were 6 of us riding together. The mongfoolery happened between me & the lead rider. Neither I, nor any of the 4 other guys are telepathic. How do you suggest we let the lead know that 2/3rd of the bikes are now stopped?
How the hell is it that in your world my bike is wider that a Gixer 1000 is long?
How is my being in the left lane going to obscure a bike laying in the right lane?
Did you notice that the bike only moved about 6ft between muppetboy running out of talent & his frame slider snapping off?

You’re jumping to a bunch of baseless assumptions here that just make you appear to be a complete blithering idiot.:p

Here’s me making an assumption: I’m assuming you only watched the 1.35 video & not the full length version?

the fact is there was no considderation for a downed biker others would call the video poster a pillock for his speeding activities ( there is no safe speeding on an open to the public road ) just because you have been lucky doesn’t mean it won’t be you next time

What utter ********. Speed in itself isn’t dangerous at all, inappropriate speed however is. but you already knew that, didn’t you?

& if it is me *next time*, the guys I ride with have been told to post any video of it ASAP.

fraid not !! i was into photography ( still am ) but i always loved the design of those i was lumbered with a kwak tripple xs 250 z200 and various other small types

presently i have an old cb100n that is getting a nut and bolt custom cafe racer build and a cm 125 daily use bike not quick or glamourous but good for the use they are being put to and ecconomical

they were nice looking machines

That you on the GSX Tornado ?

i’ve only got 8 months mot on my bike it will take longer than that to explain courtessy to you !!

least you could have done was stop to make sure no one behind you hit him because thier view of him was obscured by you

be honest all that mattered to you was filming your quick winding ride someone who could have been injured ( you had no real idea if he was or not ) in accidents adrenalin release does strange things and can take an hour to die off ( i have got up and walked with a smashed up ankle with bones popping out after a bike accident !! )

you can make all the excuses you want but all it boils down to is selfishness and all that mattered was what you wanted to do

the fact four out of five stopped is all the proof you need the guy behind you didn’t ride on and use the excuse 3 had stopped for him anyway !!

the fact is there was no considderation for a downed biker others would call the video poster a pillock for his speeding activities ( there is no safe speeding on an open to the public road ) just because you have been lucky doesn’t mean it won’t be you next time

whilst it may no be compulsory it shows the standard of curtessy to other humans still i guess it would be difrent if it was him that rode past the exceptionaly experienced and in the right you

he was another biker and even if you didn’t like his antics a quick stop and asking “you ok knobhead ?? ” is a common courtessy

Explain the difference between all 5 of us stopping instead of 4? 1 of us had to catch the guy ahead & I was closest.:rolleyes:

Yeah, most odd :confused: As a biker (well, not for a while, but I know the score), not stopping to at least check that the chap is ok is very poor form, & possibly unlawful to boot.

Still, hopefully it was just his pride that was bruised.

ps-

A younger/slimmer Dr S, with a real GSX, the GSX1100ET 😉

they were nice looking machines

just as that bit of road is in Derbyshire between Buxton and, ?? the bikers, even sit on a wall at the roadside, on a pub wall, with vid cameras, to see who is coming off on the L/H bend,

Buxton – Macclesfield. A537, Snake Pass.

Its still used as a private track by the odd idiot, but since average speed cameras got put up, and the limit made a blanket 50mph, its been a lot safer lately.

Looked a fairly benign incident to me; but as you say it could have been nasty!

I’m not sure I’d have stopped in those circumstances; it didn’t look too serious as it happened and often the worst thing you can do is react too much and make matters worse. In the split-second you had to asses and react the best move was probably to avoid, without slowing too much, and then pull-up further along. Surely you’d have no legal requirement to stop; doesn’t that apply only to those involved in the accident?

What was the oncoming biker doing on that side of the road; did he ‘bale out’ of the previous corner?

the fact is there was no considderation for a downed biker others would call the video poster a pillock for his speeding activities ( there is no safe speeding on an open to the public road ) just because you have been lucky doesn’t mean it won’t be you next time

and just because someone gets up and carries on never assume there is no serious injury as in this wikipedia entry of a famous manchester city player

Named FWA Footballer of the Year for 1956, Trautmann entered football folklore with his performance in the 1956 FA (Football Association) Cup Final. With 17 minutes of the match remaining Trautmann suffered a serious injury after diving at the feet of Birmingham City’s Peter Murphy. Despite his injury he continued to play, making crucial saves to preserve his team’s 3–1 lead. His neck was noticeably crooked as he collected his winner’s medal; three days later an X-ray revealed it to be broken.

whilst it may no be compulsory it shows the standard of curtessy to other humans still i guess it would be difrent if it was him that rode past the exceptionaly experienced and in the right you

he was another biker and even if you didn’t like his antics a quick stop and asking “you ok knobhead ?? ” is a common courtessy

He was trying to avoid the muppet falling off the Suzuki.

Funny how differently I read the situation; I thought the guy who fell off his bike lost it trying to avoid the guy coming the other way (who was on the wrong side of the road).

So, all the fault of the guy who fell then?