The Baroness Thatcher thread

Re 117

Lady Thatcher’s State funeral? Don’t worry old son, you keep your pennies in your pocket. I’ll gladly pay your share.

Good because I wouldn’t if I had any say in the matter.

I know it’s a Lotus (Korean-owned?)

Which one?

Moggy

Its a Mclaren mp4

David,
this bloke wouldn’t have agreed with you.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/obituary-captain-nicholas-barker-1266075.html

You should read his book–very enlightening, and I guess he knew a bit about the subject too.
Ruined his career though.

A.

Re 117

Lady Thatcher’s State funeral? Don’t worry old son, you keep your pennies in your pocket. I’ll gladly pay your share.

Steven – much as I dislike the image it portrays of our country – I respect the right of people to express their opinion . How it fits in with Mr Blair’s Section Five legislation which seemed to have banned any defamatory protest I don’t know !

I think I would disagree with the comment that Margaret Thatcher saw the Falklands as a means to salvage popularitity.I have a strong feeling that she was well aware of the risks involved in the operation and those doubts were dispelled strongly by a vocal Royal Navy . I think when papers become available in years to come it will find that she was more concerned about the potential loss of life rather than ensuring she gained popularity.
Anyone who views the risks will see that we didnt win by overpowering superiority but rather by quality and a certain degree of luck.

I do notice with the media coverage on the passing of Baroness Thatcher That most of those who are celebrating with glee at her death appear to lifes social missfits or losers . I can only think that by their general comments & behaviour , that they would have been social missfits & losers nomatter who had been in power . Some people are using Ms Thatcher as a whipping boy for their own sad under achievement & miserable existence.

I wonder how proud Ed Miliband feels at seeing his core voters come out to play like that?

Steven

As to Andy and his comment perhaps he would like me to set fire to anyones grave who served in the Falklands as well.#71.
I look forward to commerating her funeral and remember with respect what she did well and the things she tried which unfortunately did not. Like her or loath her as you wish but please show some respect for the dead and their families.
If you can’t do that perhaps its better to keep you mouth shut, or as the low lifes would say “zip your gob.”

Paul.
I’ve always had a lot of respect for your comments but please don’t p*ss up my back and then tell me it’s raining.
Also, please don’t tell me my duty to this country or any ex-servicemen–because I know plenty and am related to a number and I’ll really get snotty then.

You and I know both know, that the Government of this country had no interest in the Falklands prior to the invasion, and that’s not left wing b*llocks–that’s fact which is is well written about, including by those who served there.
My God, the year before, they were going to cut the Royal Navy to the bone and scrap the only bl**dy ship we had down there (HMS Endurance). Where do you think those plans came from and were approved–a f*cking lavatory behind Victoria Station or the Cabinet rooms??.
Thatcher saw it as a God given opportunity to salvage popularity.

And I won’t change my views–I grudge every penny for her state funeral.
Waste of money.

I know it’s a Lotus (Korean-owned?)

Which one?

Moggy

Moggy you forgot this one

I wish my pension would stretch to getting one!

I am disgusted at those who took to the streets to celibrate the passing of Baroness Thatcher. Here in Bristol six Police Officers were hurt in the Easton area of the city.Easton is an enclave of ethnic majority of Afro Carribean and Asian residents(not words I would call the troublemakers but I don’t want to be deleted) I understand similar demonstrations occured in Brixton and Glasgow. As to Andy and his comment perhaps he would like me to set fire to anyones grave who served in the Falklands as well.#71.
I look forward to commerating her funeral and remember with respect what she did well and the things she tried which unfortunately did not. Like her or loath her as you wish but please show some respect for the dead and their families.
If you can’t do that perhaps its better to keep you mouth shut, or as the low lifes would say “zip your gob.”

I do notice with the media coverage on the passing of Baroness Thatcher That most of those who are celebrating with glee at her death appear to lifes social missfits or losers . I can only think that by their general comments & behaviour , that they would have been social missfits & losers nomatter who had been in power . Some people are using Ms Thatcher as a whipping boy for their own sad under achievement & miserable existence.

Taking the Falklands as an example; the Argentinians had previous, in recent years, having been discretely and successfully faced down at the time by previous administrations. The Argentinian agitation had reached the same level prior to the 1982 invasion yet the incumbent government did nothing. That is either a deliberate act or an incompetant one. Either way it resulted in un-necessary loss of life. Under the deceased’s leadership. The war was then exploited to ensure re-election. Yes, all politicians would have done the same, that however does not justify it. Those gentlemen are the facts. How culpable the deceased was in person is debatable, it was however her administration that failed.

All I was doing was offering the fact (as there so often is, particularly with politicians) that there is an alternative to the conventional narritive you guys quicky trundled out.

Irrespective of it being ‘the conventional narrative’, or however quickly we trundled it out, that does not diminish the probability that it is the truth…..or at least closer to the truth than your alternative.

Despite your assertion of ‘facts’ have you ever seen any shred of evidence that Britain had any (or enough) advanced warning of the Argentine intention to actually invade the Falklands? Apparently, there was only a single Intelligence Officer in place to cover the entire South American continent and Operation Rosario was in fact brought forward by several months due to the worsening internal situation in Argentina. Operation Journeyman may have worked in 1977 but that is not a guarantee that it would have worked in 1982 (even if enough advanced warning had been available).

With regard to unnecessary loss of life I wonder how much responsibility you attach to the military Junta in Argentina?

‘The Iron Lady’ or ‘Mrs. T’ died a long time ago. You might say she ‘died’ in the run up to leaving office. The person who died yesterday was a frail 87 year old who had suffered a series of cerebro-vascular accidents and was in the grip of dementia.

I shall neither celebrate her life nor mourn her death. However, there are few personalities in this world who polarise public opinion as divisively or decisively as she has done. Just like everyone who has ever lived she has done good and bad things in those 87 years. One thing is certain. She was not the saviour of this Country as suggested by Cameron, nor was she the personification of evil.

But for all those who have openly wished her harm over the years or are professing a degree of glee and satisfaction over her death, think on this. I am confident that the person who would be most grateful for the passing of Margaret Thatcher yesterday would be the lady herself.

Regards,

kev35

The voice of reason amid the rantings and mutual recriminations.

Well said, Kev.

As for the rest of it – it wasn’t Margaret Thatcher who destroyed industry. It was the bosses who were complacent and the workers who thought their unions were all powerful. Together they destroyed our industry and it started long before Mrs Thatcher got into power but most people choose to forget that. Its great to blame one person for the demise of industry but the reality is that we didn’t buy our own products -so whether it was Triumph bikes -BL cars -Meccano or a wealth of other items the customer voted with its feet and bought abroad.

Yes, the decline started long before the nineteen eighties. I briefly worked in the motorcycle industry in 1972-73. At the beginning of the sixties the UK motorcycle industry was the largest in the world. However, by the time I got involved there it was obvious that it could not compete with its old products and chronic labour problems. I left for other opportunities. This was the right decision as by the end of the decade, UK motorcycle production and its industry had gone.

It is striking how much traction the myth that Thatcher caused industrial decline has had. Yet a simple look at British industry from the postwar period to 1979 does not make good reading. From a position of a wealth of higher tech leads and opportunities, radar, computers, electronics, aviation, medicine, machine tools, and chemicals, the postwar governments favoured the manual labour union dominated industries. If you wanted a job, it was most likely to be found in shipbuilding, steelworks, coalmining, dockyards, steam railways, and the utilities. The automotive industry, which could have offered both mass employment and higher quality engineering, was hobbled by government restrictions on raw materials and a preference for meeting the simpler needs of the export market.

It is no surprise that when Margaret Thatcher came to power she faced a formidable task in halting the decline and putting Britain back on the road to recovery.

As for the trivial matter of school milk, it was the Labour government who first abolished it for secondary schools, in about 1967.

Steven

And Vauxhalls? (GM)

And later Rootes Group? (Chrysler)

Moggy

Quite so.

In your opinion 🙂

Twitter does seem a rather pointless tool i do agree, never used it myself, it seems to be rather ego centric for my taste.

Without any supporting evidence it can only be a guess…….;)

Well I am pleased we can agree about Twitter!:)

‘The Iron Lady’ or ‘Mrs. T’ died a long time ago. You might say she ‘died’ in the run up to leaving office. The person who died yesterday was a frail 87 year old who had suffered a series of cerebro-vascular accidents and was in the grip of dementia.

I shall neither celebrate her life nor mourn her death. However, there are few personalities in this world who polarise public opinion as divisively or decisively as she has done. Just like everyone who has ever lived she has done good and bad things in those 87 years. One thing is certain. She was not the saviour of this Country as suggested by Cameron, nor was she the personification of evil.

But for all those who have openly wished her harm over the years or are professing a degree of glee and satisfaction over her death, think on this. I am confident that the person who would be most grateful for the passing of Margaret Thatcher yesterday would be the lady herself.

Regards,

kev35

So all those Fords we bought over decades….err….;)

And Vauxhalls? (GM)

And later Rootes Group? (Chrysler)

Moggy

What you wrote is certainly no more than a guess or assumption.

In your opinion 🙂

Twitter does seem a rather pointless tool i do agree, never used it myself, it seems to be rather ego centric for my taste.