The GLA meet 3/6/04

It’s a well known fact that the arrival of summer in Scotland is marked with a slight increase in the temperature of the rain. 😀

LoL 🙂 😎

Your pictures are very good, sounds like a great day was had by all !

Seeing as I live right beside the dockyards… perhaps I should be concerned

For Glasgow anyway.

We here beside Edinburgh and in Fife have been enjoying the warmth of a bright burning disc in the sky. It truely is magnificent here.

That’s the radiation from Rosyth dockyard your thinking of Sandy (lol) 😉

Re: Glasgow weather:

Sounds the same as in Wales. My father always says “You’ve heard of the greenhouse effect? Well we’re the downpipe!”

For Glasgow anyway.

We here beside Edinburgh and in Fife have been enjoying the warmth of a bright burning disc in the sky. It truely is magnificent here.

Just kidding and teasing mate 🙂

It’s a well known fact that the arrival of summer in Scotland is marked with a slight increase in the temperature of the rain. 😀

What bright sun ? 😮

Just kidding and teasing mate 🙂

Ren , how do you manage those “bright sun” issues to shoot your pictures in Scotland? 😉 😀

What bright sun ? 😮

Ren , how do you manage those “bright sun” issues to shoot your pictures in Scotland? 😉 😀

Hi Guys

I’m new to your forum and just been reading through the posts and thought you’d like to know the owners of the Lear Jet Reg No N69LJ if you don’t already have the info to hand here it is.

N-number : N69LJ
Aircraft Serial Number : 027
Aircraft Manufacturer : LEARJET INC
Model : 60
Engine Manufacturer : P & W
Model : PW300 SER
Aircraft Year :
Owner Name : WILMINGTON TRUST CO TRUSTEE
Owner Address : RODNEY SQUARE N
: 1100 N MARKET ST
WILMINGTON, DE, 19890
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 03-Apr-2002
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport

Very interesting Kevin, perhaps I’ll pass a copy onto the dog squad of Strathclyde Police.

A message from the Deputy Comander(police) Glasgow

On Sunday 11th April Kevin Marshbanks, with photographer representatives including Fred Seggie, visited the police office and together with Irene Degenan the Security Duty Officer, we toured the area around the airport and examined each area to establish any go or no go areas. There is the general understanding that anyone with stepladders would cause nervousness as this could be a means of overcoming the security of the perimeter fence. Consequently those who wish to use ladders to take photographs should call the Airport Police Office 0141 848 4515 which will generally provide permission and prevent alarm. The other constant factor was parking within the Crash Gate areas. For many years we have moved on any person parking in these areas and have provided plastic screens to obstruct the view from a car. Large signs indicating parking prohibited and action by both Police and security patrols have moved people on from these areas.

We have reviewed this and have concluded that the danger to the airport is obstruction of entry or access from unattended vehicles and not vehicles which could move the vehicle at a moments notice. In reality the vast majority of these gates are seldom used consequently we will tolerate vehicles within the crash gates except Crash Gate 3 which is regularly used by the emergency services.

We approached this on the basis that we would not nor should we, differentiate, between enthusiasts and general members of the public. The result is essentially as follows.

• Beginning at the Business Aviation Centre at Abbotsinch Road (Inchinnan Road) and travelling anti clockwise, all areas are permissible, with the exception of the Business Aviation Centre car park.
• The next gate No 5, gives access to the general Aviation terminal at Area Juliet. It is used for any VIP visits as the Pilcher Suite for VIP’s and the Pan used for Royal flights is within this area. We spoke about removing any plastic barriers on this gate, however the advice we have is that these were placed here on a road safety basis to avoid drivers being distracted by aicraft and causing accidents.
• Gate 4 is also seldom used and is available.
• The largest of the gates is the Emergency Services gate is used for immediate access in the event of an emergency. This is regularly used, however we have no objection to people gathering there and the plastic screen has been removed by storms. We will seek to provide slots for photography and prevent further damage by those who cut holes in the fence.
• The next gate 2 is apparently the best for photographers and has a view of the Taxiway Alpha. Here we will seek to remove all the plastic screens, and prepare slots for cameras. This gate is never used and there may be the possibility of some future development of this area which we will pursue with BAA.
• Following the fence line we have no issues anywhere along the perimeter fence until we reach Barnsford Road at the Yonderton Farm Road. This is popular spot but as it is essentially a narrow lane, parking can be an issue. The Department for Transport has placed an obligation on Airports within the National Aviation Security Programme to keep a three metre gap between the perimeter fence, and any obstacle. Parking a vehicle next to the fence compromises this three metre gap and will invite police and security attention. We have no problems with parking on the other side of the lane, however this is private property, and the owner of the land may have other views. This is certainly the case further along the lane towards the crash gate 14 where the farmer has placed several signs on his verge to indicate no parking. This should be respected, and as parking adjacent to the fence is problematic, we would suggest that this area be avoided. A request was made to consider making camera slots outside the farmers home but this would impact adversely on his quality of life and we would not support this.
• Parking near the radar installation at crash gate 13 will also attract attention, as will any unattended vehicle near this equipment. There is no danger to traffic from distraction and we will seek to remove the existing plastic barriers from the crash gates in the lane to improve the view, and seek to create slots on Crash Gate 12. Kevin has suggested some form of car parking area be created here. This is a matter for BAA and I will take this up with them, but is may be a matter best implemented when the Perimeter fence is being replaced.
• Following the fence anti clockwise past the Fire Service Training Area and the Crash gate 11 on the Barnsford Road. We have no issues apart from vehicles left unattended within the crash gate. This is a gate, which the public tend to congregate and park across. However these gates are seldom used.
• The crash gate 10 at the end of the runway near the lay by on Barnsford Road is popular and is also available. Parking in the lay by is free and perhaps the nearest free parking area available for any of the viewing areas at this part of the airfield.
• There is a footpath running along the fence line from crash gate 10 into Paisley Moss which is to the north of the St James Roundabout. Following this track, and then the fence line will bring you to a point where two fences meet which is popular for photographers. We will seek to have slots placed on the fence line.
• Slightly further east there is a large mound, which gives a panoramic view of the airfield and is also available for your use. However, there are equipment compounds, which we will require you to avoid.
• Following the fence line, the area behind the Loganair hangar is available but parking is not permitted.
• Similarly, the area to the east of the International Pier near the blast fence provides a view into the cul de sac November, and is available.
• Finally passing the terminal building entering Campsie Drive turning east towards the East Security Gate, gives a view into the cul De Sac Kilo, but the sight lines are not good.
• Following the fence line this takes you into the Cargo area which has specific difficulties. There are few viewing areas and the only clear area is within a private car park owned by British Airways which we would not support. This brings us back to the starting point.

We have BAA Security approval of these areas. Similarly we have advised both Security Officers the Police Officers on patrol of this arrangement and while you may be challenged, you should not be moved on unnecessarily.

I hoped to let you know of any issues which you may find of interest, Kevin has been instrumental in promoting additional contacts and I am grateful for his support.

The Airport Ramp Safety Campaign Exhibition will be held within the Domestic Pier from 10am to 4pm on Tuesday 27th to Thursday 29th April and I would extend an invitation for you to attend. As it is within the restricted zone you will require an escorted pass for access. Please bring this letter together with documentary identification such as a Photocard Driving Licence or Passport and attend the information desk. With the permission of the information desk staff, telephone extension 4515 and we will have an officer attend to issue you with a pass and escort you to the event. This Campaign is aimed at giving safety information to airport employees but will have a range of exhibitors from Police, Fire, Engineering, Handling agents and security amongst others. We are delighted to accommodate you for this with a view to hosting an aviation enthusiasts stand next year for you to be able to inform the wider airport community about your hobby. There is possibly a valuable networking opportunity for you with airport management.

I am returning you application form however as you will see we are keen to support you in any other way we can. Finally any suspicious issues please telephone 0141 848 4515. My colleague Alister McMahon may from time to time make contact and he is available at the same number, or by e mail at [email]gla_police@baa.com[/email].

Alister and I look forward to seeing you are the ramp safety meeting.

Yours sincerely

Sergeant Kenny Brown
Deputy Airport Police Commander

maybe that explains Sandy Clark talking p1sh most of the time, then? 😉

I said, optimal, LOL, I meant Optical. It says on the camera it’s a 38-380mm equivalent.

A fortunate slip of the tongue, as even on optical zooms there’s an optimal point where beyond the picture gets all fuzzy, mushy and minging. This is normally the zone irate television sports directors would have us operate within. (lol)

looks like you guys had a blast of a time. 🙂

I said, optimal, LOL, I meant Optical. It says on the camera it’s a 38-380mm equivalent.

What does a 10x optimal zoom in a digital camera equate to? If utilized, does it take away from the quality?

By optimal you either mean optically zoomed in or somewhere like that in digital terms.

If it’s a cheap lens then optically it won’t produce the goods beyond it’s “optimal” range, roughly 85% zoomed, in my experience. If it’s a digital zoom, then through it out and blast the fecker with a Colt 45 !!!

The 10x refers to the widest angle of the lens measured in millimetres and then the tight end, zoomed in by 10x, so if you had a 3mm focal length zoomed out, you’d have a 30mm lens zoomed in to the max (optically).

What does a 10x optimal zoom in a digital camera equate to? If utilized, does it take away from the quality?

Ren, if you dont mind me asking; What equipment do you use?

Fantastic pics, I love the green country side.

Canon 10D and a 300mm lens, couple that with some cropping and PC enhancement. :p