The Great US Election Hamster-Wheel Thread (Merged)

Maybe there is but I’m blowed if I can figure out what it is. Probably just our colonial cousins making up their own names for something as usual.

Point taken. Your description of democracy is very true. I always maintain that the difference between a dictatorship and a democracy is that a democracy allows you to choose which dictator is in power.

There’s also a difference between a democracy, and what the US is supposed to be – a Constitutional Republic.

Ryan

Point taken. Your description of democracy is very true. I always maintain that the difference between a dictatorship and a democracy is that a democracy allows you to choose which dictator is in power.

All I can say is I hope the American voters are prepared for some major changes. I fear they’re going to get them whether they like it or not. As far as I can see the only people who are really going to be upset are the defence manufacturing companies. It is not a good idea to rely solely on defence procurement for a living and such companies always seem to do better under a Republican administration.

The whole principle of democracy will always leave people upset, it is essentially dictatorship by the majority. However for a party that has both the presidency and congress there is a limit on how radical one can be. If you have irritated to many people in just two years you risk taking a pounding in the mid terms. Especially when one only won by 4% of the popular vote.

All I can say is I hope the American voters are prepared for some major changes. I fear they’re going to get them whether they like it or not. As far as I can see the only people who are really going to be upset are the defence manufacturing companies. It is not a good idea to rely solely on defence procurement for a living and such companies always seem to do better under a Republican administration.

..Of course the rest of the world is happy Obama won. Which, tells me alot…….:mad:

Just wait, when our economy slides into a depression and drags down the rest of the global economy they won’t be happy for long.

I would tent to agree with that. Most of the rural population (blue spots are generally where big cities are) are WAAAY more clear thinking. There’s something about being in a big city that seems to cloud the mind.

Ryan

not cloud.. its smog! 😉

in Scandinavia, there’s very very few big cities, almost everything is a small to medium city. The biggest probably around the size of San Francisco or Jacksonville.

Clear minds make nice Gripens, Ikea furniture, cookies, and Conan Obrien 😉

The picture is pretty much the same…………..Obama hardly one by a landslide. He may have had a lot more electoral votes. Yet, that is totally different than popular vote.

I would tent to agree with that. Most of the rural population (blue spots are generally where big cities are) are WAAAY more clear thinking. There’s something about being in a big city that seems to cloud the mind.

Ryan

Oh, I am sure it has nothing to do with Obama wanting to tax everyone making over $250.000. Which, is about 95% of all Small Business Owners. Of course they also do most of the new hiring! That should give the economy a boost………..PLEASE.:(

that is an issue between Obama’s policies and small business owners. The financial crisis has more to do with the collapse of the shadow banking system and liquidity/solvency crisis that developed in the last 20 years and ballooned within the last 10. Partisan mentality from both sides will attempt to put all the blame on one party, but it developed since the end of the Reagan years, and Clinton didn’t make it any better, nor did both Bushes. This is a large scale issue that’s also affecting tax heavy Europe and the US.

The Yen carry trade and related interest rates that has been the de-facto standard for most of the west, is broken, currency exchange rates are wildly fluctuating, and because of this no one can trade properly because values are constantly changing.

Neither Obama or McCain can instantly solve the existing consumer debt amounts in both the US and Europe and banks in both regions are heavily invested in credit derivatives..

you can do what free market economists want to do and lower the interest rates even further, lessen the tax, etc but that won’t stop the stock markets from sinking the day after next.

whatever happened to

The picture is pretty much the same…………..Obama hardly one by a landslide. He may have had a lot more electoral votes. Yet, that is totally different than popular vote.

there’s no real accurate way to indicate the causes of the dow’s dramatic behavior for the past several weeks. It probably would’ve dropped if McCain won, its dropped even after interest rate cuts, etc.

Oh, I am sure it has nothing to do with Obama wanting to tax everyone making over $250.000. Which, is about 95% of all Small Business Owners. Of course they also do most of the new hiring! That should give the economy a boost………..PLEASE.:(

whatever happened to

The day after the election the DOW DROPPED almost 500 points.

there’s no real accurate way to indicate the causes of the dow’s dramatic behavior for the past several weeks. It probably would’ve dropped if McCain won, its dropped even after interest rate cuts, etc.

I don’t think you disagree with me at all scooter, I said the same thing basically lol.

Clearly, Obama will have to govern from the center. Let’s hope that he can get his own party to do the same. Otherwise, the Democrats will start loosing the next election cycle and it will start all over again. Just look what happen with the Republicans. They did the very same thing………..and the current Democrat Congress appears to be doing the same thing. Just let us get in power and things will change for the better……PLEASE

I don’t think you disagree with me at all scooter, I said the same thing basically lol.

Just a few quick notes:

1) Just to clear something up about Obama being a “terrorist”. This term was used because of a connection to a known domestic terrorist from the 60s, nothing to do with OBL or anything. And yes, when this Bill Ayers guy did these things, Obama was only 8, we were concerned with recent connections between to two men, let alone his preacher, the CEO of either Freddie or Fannie, some guy Rezco who currently is up on a host of charges, let alone his dealings oversease.

2) Obama did not win in a landslide, the last landslide to occur was 1984, Reagan got 538 electoral votes and 60% of the popular vote.

3) While I hope Obama realizes the only way he can fix anything is to govern as a “centrist”, with the majoritys in congress going to the Dems and quite frankly Obama’s track record, I highly doubt this will indeed happen. Luckily, the Senate is not “philabuster proof” so the Republicans still have some control over what happens. Question is, will they have the cajones?

The biggest problem is now the Democrats control of the US Presidency, Senate, and Congress. How’s is Goverment going to be reformed when one party has total control??? Remember, the current Democratic Congress has the lowest approval rating in its History. Do you really think the current majority is going to police itself and make radical reform………Personally, I have my doubts. :(:(:(:(:(:(

Democrats have the House, the Senate, and the White House.

The next four years will be some of the worst in recent history for America, at least domestically speaking.

Let’s see if Barack keeps his promise to get the US combat forces out of Iraq in 18 months, that’ll be amusing to watch.

The day after the election the DOW DROPPED almost 500 points. So, the US can expect entitlements to grow. Which, are already at there highest levels in US History. Followed by Job Loss and large cuts in Defense……..and who is going to pay for all of this. The US Taxpayer…………Of course the rest of the world is happy Obama won. Which, tells me alot…….:mad:

Just a few quick notes:

1) Just to clear something up about Obama being a “terrorist”. This term was used because of a connection to a known domestic terrorist from the 60s, nothing to do with OBL or anything. And yes, when this Bill Ayers guy did these things, Obama was only 8, we were concerned with recent connections between to two men, let alone his preacher, the CEO of either Freddie or Fannie, some guy Rezco who currently is up on a host of charges, let alone his dealings oversease.

2) Obama did not win in a landslide, the last landslide to occur was 1984, Reagan got 538 electoral votes and 60% of the popular vote.

3) While I hope Obama realizes the only way he can fix anything is to govern as a “centrist”, with the majoritys in congress going to the Dems and quite frankly Obama’s track record, I highly doubt this will indeed happen. Luckily, the Senate is not “philabuster proof” so the Republicans still have some control over what happens. Question is, will they have the cajones?

Democrats have the House, the Senate, and the White House.

The next four years will be some of the worst in recent history for America, at least domestically speaking.

Let’s see if Barack keeps his promise to get the US combat forces out of Iraq in 18 months, that’ll be amusing to watch.

Well you can call them left-wing nutcases with my permission:diablo::diablo:

Thank you.:p

Funny as I tought there already were sort of feudalism in US…big corporate hawks, shareholders and board-seater aside with grand-land owners gasping the money and screwing over the little man but hey, I don’t live there so what do I know??

You might be right its just become more blantant in the last few years.