I believe TB is having a referndum on the EU because he wants us to vote NO. What will happen is this….
…the result will be NO. However, when they look at nation by nation polling they will see that Scotland, Wales and probably N.Ireland voted YES, but England voted NO – England’s huge population managing to swing the vote. The nationalists in S, W & N.I will start squealling that England is voting them out of the EU and demand independance (shows the contradications of the Nationalists). the government will give them their independance, as well as England having its independance. S, W & N.I will sign the constitution with their new govnts. and England will pull out of the EU all together.
England will be a lot richer because we do not have to subsidise S, W & N.I and they will be happier because they will be subsidised by Brussels instead.
What you think?
By: Arthur - 9th May 2004 at 22:07
The EU is beginning to look way too much like the US for my liking. Too many people who are totally paranoid about the Big Evil Conspirationalist Government who are, in fact, totally clueless about what that government actually entails.
But i’m sure Speedbird, Minidoh and Sauron have actually read the new constitution (or at least a synopsis of it), and know to compare it with the current treaties concerning the organisation of the EU as a political entity, right?
:rolleyes:
By: Geforce - 9th May 2004 at 21:44
I really don’t understand what the problem is about this constitution. In fact, this constitution is actually a favour towards all the Euro-sceptics, the Euro-enthousiasts like myself don’t like it very much. It means that some decissions will return to London for instance. The EU is a confederation, and after the constitution, it will remain one. So there’s not even a chance of it becoming a United States of Europe. It just means that there will be a clear seperation between Brussels and London, more important, that if the Brits don’t like anything decided in Brussels from now on they’ll have a legal methods to oppose this etc.
I find it extremely arrogant however to think England is better than Scotland, N-I or Wales. As an outsider I see the differences between the 4 different nations the UK has. However, politically, the UK is still one. If England wants to be independent so be it, because nothing will depend on England anymore. Utter utter separatist crap. :rolleyes:
On the side, why doesn’t the UK become a federal state like Belgium or the US? Wouldn’t it be a lot easier to form a constitution instead of sticking to this 17th century solution?
By: mike currill - 9th May 2004 at 21:27
Hey. Surely there must be some advantage to being in an organization that has a constitution 400 pages long.
Sauron
Which is so complicated even lawyers are confused as to whether it is legal or not
By: MINIDOH - 9th May 2004 at 11:27
Sauron, yea there are advantages in it, but none for us! No, there are some for us but hardly any, and we would be at a big disadvantage if we did join the Euro or we had a yes vote. However, I do not agree that TB will do what you are saying.
I think he will word the referendum strangely as to try and make people vote for yes, not no. B******
By: Grey Area - 8th May 2004 at 22:27
Well, you could use it to swat REALLY BIG flies…..
By: Sauron - 8th May 2004 at 22:15
Hey. Surely there must be some advantage to being in an organization that has a constitution 400 pages long.
Sauron
By: Distiller - 8th May 2004 at 09:12
I’d say stay out of the EU. But hold it! Brits are already in! Vote nonononono. Nothing good ever comes from Bruxelles bureaucrats. I want the “North Atlantic Union” – NAU.
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