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The Official Gasoline/Petrol Costs Too Much Thread

I noticed that I was low on fuel and I went to the station and paid $2.09 (I could of paid $1.89 for non-premium) per gallon. I did some quick conversions for the non-gallon users and it comes out to…

$.55 per liter
.45 euro per liter
.30 pound per liter

I did not think too much of this (I drive a 4-banger) but then I read this
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=10&u=/ap/20040602/ap_on_bi_ge/britain_gasoline

So I would like to ask some questions.

Is this true? Do people in the UK pay this much for petrol? My best guess is this is the best way for the UK to conserve the use of petrol while filling up the coffers quite nicely. Do people in the UK overwhelming support the high tax on petrol? And how much did you pay for petrol on your last trip?

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By: Steve Touchdown - 4th June 2004 at 18:30

Yep stick it up to £1 a litre, I have no problem with that whatsoever.

Petrol prices in REAL terms have never been lower.

If it’s so expensive then why:

1) Do almost all the kids in my 5 year-old daughter’s class get driven a mile to and from school every day in Shoguns, Land Rover Discoveries and Volvo estates?

2) Did it take me almost six hours to drive to Monmouth from Surrey last Friday (avoiding both rush hours)?

3) Every time I go to fill up I have to queue for fuel when the forecourt has 8 pumps?

Paying too much?? Don’t make me laugh!

It’s BEER that should be cheaper not petrol!

Steve

p.s. couple of talk radio stations here, and their callers, seem to think fuel is much cheaper in France. Ask Hand how much it now costs to use the Peage compared to even 3 or 4 years ago. We spent the equivalent of a year’s UK road fund licence during a 3 week trip to France last year on tolls.

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By: escuincle - 4th June 2004 at 09:09

There was an e-mail sent round in my place of work last week requesting everyone to stop buying petrol from a certain petrol company.
Just buy it from anyone other than them. The reasoning behind it was that one company starved of custom would forced to lower their prices… OK not that simple but if could work if information was available from a central point.
Every year I journey from the north to the south to holiday, I live less than 20 miles from oil refineries, for the past 2-3 years the petrol has always been cheaper on the south coast than up here??

Paul

I have heard of this idea before but I dont think it would work here. The refinery here, which is right in the middle of the city, sells all the petrol that is used in the city (I think) but they are not affiliated with any of the petrol stations that sell it to customers. Also, each seller is supposedly not making much profit since each seller is trying to undercut each other.

I checked some numbers and according to the refinery website, they were selling petrol for $1.55 per gallon, Texas adds $.20 (£0.03 per liter) per gallon on tax, I paid $2.09 per gallon so profit was $0.34 per gallon or £0.05 per liter.

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By: Bmused55 - 4th June 2004 at 09:00

Footnote: We pay the highest fuel taxes in Europe. For every £1 spent on fuel a staggering £0.83 goes to the government to line their pockets.
And they want to put that tax up even more!

Now my car is very economical it has a 2.0litre 16V injection engine. I can get about 30mpg, 35-40 on the Motorway (Highway in Yankee language 😉 )

I use an average of £30 petrol per week to get to and from work. If the fuel prices get as hig as £1 per litre, I’ll need to spend well in excess of £50 per week. I cannot afford that and will soon find I cannot get to work, for lack of fuel. Public transport is a joke so I cannot rely on that. I can see myself without a job because of these outragous taxes.

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By: Bmused55 - 4th June 2004 at 08:59

escuincle, £ 0.30 a litre!!!!

Oh heaven… you should count yourself lucky. In the UK we’re paying an average for £0.82 a litre right now, and predictions show it will be up to £1.00 by September!

And this is for fuel we make ourselves with our own bloody oil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By: pierrepjc - 4th June 2004 at 08:32

There was an e-mail sent round in my place of work last week requesting everyone to stop buying petrol from a certain petrol company.
Just buy it from anyone other than them. The reasoning behind it was that one company starved of custom would forced to lower their prices… OK not that simple but if could work if information was available from a central point.
Every year I journey from the north to the south to holiday, I live less than 20 miles from oil refineries, for the past 2-3 years the petrol has always been cheaper on the south coast than up here??

Paul

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By: Mark L - 3rd June 2004 at 23:35

Roll on the fuel blockades, that was, er, interesting last time 😉

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By: Hand87_5 - 3rd June 2004 at 10:19

1,24 Euros for 1 liter of unleaded

0,96 Euros for 1 liter diesel

About the same here.

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By: Learning_Slowly - 3rd June 2004 at 10:09

I can’t even enter this debate it makes me so angry!

Bloody Blair and his band…still we need to pay for the illegal immigrants that can’t work and claim on our DSS without paying any taxes. Make them work if they are that desperate to stay here. 😡

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By: Flood - 3rd June 2004 at 10:00

What gets me is that (last week) in Brackley it is 84.9ppl (£3.82 an imp gallon) for unleaded at T’co and in Banbury (about 10 miles away) the same company offer fuel at 80.9ppl… 12 months ago it was 70.9 around here (£3.19 an imp gallon)… Luckily we have a works car that has works fuel in it to use on business trips. I think that at least 75% of the cost is tax for the government…

Yep – I used to work at the opposite end of a stretch of duel carriage way which had a Tescos, with a garage, at each end. The one nearest to me was close to several large towns, A-class roads, and areas of urban residential conurbation; the other pass next to a rather highly regarded town which thought more of itself than it was really worth – and was therefore very wealthy. The difference in price for a litre of petrol was nearly always around 4-5p a litre at the Tescos, a product on sale at both and only a ten mile distance between them.
Diesel might well be the same or more expensive than unleaded but you can get up to twice the mileage out of it. I am suprised (and annoyed) that my bosses won’t make all the company cars diesel – maybe they like the idea of us roaring away from traffic lights first…

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By: seahawk - 3rd June 2004 at 08:20

1,24 Euros for 1 liter of unleaded

0,96 Euros for 1 liter diesel

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By: Snapper - 3rd June 2004 at 06:41

I paid 82.9p per litre yesterday on my way back from work. Having just come from work where it was 80.9p (except we had a powercut so I couldn’t get any). That’s a difference of 46p on topping up my tank – over half a litre in itself.

I am absolutely sick to death of the price of fuel. It doesn’t only mean that it “taxes those who use their cars the most or have fuel guzzlers”. It means that I, for example, am very reluctant to visit family and friends who live a long way away, am reluctant to go for days out, and get screwed for going to work. I think i’m looking at around £30 per week to get to work. That’s £1500 or so a year. Thats ten percent of my bloody wages. And having promoted diesel as being more fuel efficient, we now have the ridiculous situation where diesel is more expensive than unleaded! Thanks for the taxes Bliar. I suppose you have to support a war that no-one wanted, and your race to be emperor of Europe somehow. I do honestly wish that you get assassinated. A pity that you are taxing us so much on everything everywhere. I wonder just how much tax, with everything taken into account, I actually pay in total.

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By: Arm Waver - 3rd June 2004 at 02:28

What gets me is that (last week) in Brackley it is 84.9ppl (£3.82 an imp gallon) for unleaded at T’co and in Banbury (about 10 miles away) the same company offer fuel at 80.9ppl… 12 months ago it was 70.9 around here (£3.19 an imp gallon)… Luckily we have a works car that has works fuel in it to use on business trips. I think that at least 75% of the cost is tax for the government…

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By: escuincle - 3rd June 2004 at 01:59

The main argument, as I understand it, in the U.S. against an increase in tax (or any tax) on fuel will cause businesses to increase the price for their goods/services thus passing the tax back to the individual (actually I would prefer 0% tax on commerce/industry and fuel).

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By: Flood - 3rd June 2004 at 01:01

Hmm. Mine is 10p per mile – used to be 9.5p but they had a new computer system put in (a year ago, I think) that couldn’t handle fiscal decimal points! I do know that they took all the ½p per miles back the next time we submitted expenses.:mad:
Not sure but I think that our company diesel cars are 14p per mile.

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By: Flood - 3rd June 2004 at 00:16

Huh. Before the company got taken over it was reviewed from a survey of the five closest garages to the head office – and none of them was a supermarket either!
We were always told that the expenses rate is worked out for industry by the AA then, about two years ago, the very dim MDs son blundered through a visit (he usually just ogles the telesales girls!) and told a colleague that the accountants had decided that all was fine with petrol prices, despite what the AA thought, so no increase!
We have noticed that company cars of 2000cc+ and/or 4WD have increased on every quarter, but since we are not of that calibre…:(

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By: whalebone - 3rd June 2004 at 00:02

Oh how we dream of 55p p/ltr. Here in the uk it is just about to break the 90p barrier, that’s around $1.65 p/ltr, and the tax is going up again in September !
I agree with you however Robbo ‘they’ will get you one way of the other

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By: Flood - 3rd June 2004 at 00:00

It is, unfortunately, a lot fairer than some of the other options since it taxes those who use their cars the most or have fuel guzzlers.
I say unfortunately since my company only thinks about changing the mileage on expenses on the quarter year and unless we protest it won’t rise – due to the fact that the fuel prices ‘hadn’t risen’ when the suits looked at the prices to work out the budget (apparently…).
Two weeks ago I filled my tank for 73.9p a litre; at the start of this week I filled the tank up for 81.9p a litre; today the same garage was offering the same fuel at 87.1p a litre. Near Blackpool there is a garage, with a loyal client base(!), offering one litre of unleaded petrol for £1.06p: crazy!
Yes, the government will get your money one way or another but I would be less annoyed about the whole 90% tax (or whatever it is) on petrol if the government actually used some of this revenue on the roads; at the moment, though, I feel like calling the police every time I get mugged at the pumps…

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