The rapidly modernizing Chilean fleet.

the Countys are going to be sraped, actualy one has already been sold to India to be dismanteld.

The last 2 remainign Leanders are for sale.
Ecuador & Bangladesh have shown intrest so far on those units, but acording to the deal made with the UK (on the Type 23) they’re in charge of resailing them, & later upgrading tham as well

will the Leanders & the Countys going to the scrapyard or will they have some use for someone

Type 22 frigate and Type 23 frigate, SeaWolf Block 2, Scorpene, Harpoon II, Exocet SM-39.
The ACh is a powerfull navy. Congratulations !!!

from JNI May 06

Chile contracts for Seawolf Block 2
Richard Scott
Seawolf Block 2 will equip a single Chilean Type 22 frigate and three Type 23 frigates acquired from the UK The Block 2 missile is designed to overcome component obsolescence while maintaining compatibility with existing ship systems
Chile has become the first overseas customer for the Seawolf Block 2 point defence missile after concluding a contract with MBDA UK in February 2006.
The contract covers the supply of both conventional-launch and vertical-launch missile variants, plus training and handling equipment, to equip Almirante Williams, an ex-UK Royal Navy (RN) Type 22 Batch 2 frigate currently in service with the Armada de Chile, plus three ex-RN Type 23 frigates to be delivered between 2006 and 2008.
Almirante Williams, equipped with the GWS 25 Mod 3 system, was transferred in 2003 with a very limited stock of older conventional launch Block 1 Seawolf missiles. The new Block 2 buy is intended to establish a larger inventory of missiles to meet the Chilean Navy’s long-term needs as it progressively introduces the Type 23s into service. The latter ships are fitted with the GWS 26 Mod 1 Vertical Launch Seawolf system.
The Seawolf Block 2 missile entered RN service in July 2005, following substantial re-engineering to overcome a number of component obsolescence issues while maintaining form, fit and function compatibility with existing GWS 25 Mod 3 and GWS 26 Mod 1 ship systems. The Block 2 manufacture concept also allows for the supply of both Conventional Launch Seawolf and Vertical Launch Seawolf rounds using a common missile ‘dart’ and rocket booster.
While the Block 2 missile’s external dimensions mirror those of the earlier Block 1, the new missile has been designed to overcome obsolescence in many of the components present in the legacy missiles. Improvements include a new electronic actuation system to replace the former gas actuation system (resulting in improved missile rate control and agility) and a solid-state silicon gyro in the Inertial Measurement Unit.
Also, drawing on experience from MBDA’s AIM-132 Advanced Short Range air-to-Air Missile (ASRAAM) programme, Seawolf Block 2 also incorporates an ASRAAM multi-chip module (implemented in Ada on PowerPC hardware) to provide more in-flight computing power in a much smaller package. Additionally, Block 2 incorporates the new Mk 4 Seawolf Enhanced Low Level dual-mode infrared/radio frequency, developed under a separate contract to improve Seawolf’s performance against very low sea skimming, low signature targets.

Interesting debate guys, there can be no doubt the Chile has a nice little navy. It is though oft forgotten what an enormous amount of Blue water Chile has to patrol from the mainland westwards 2500 miles to Easter island and North to south from 18 degree South of the equator down to the ice where sea conditions are the worst in the world, so a good size navy would be needed.

See their English language website (a nice touch)

http://www.armada.cl/p4_ingles/site/edic/base/port/home.html

Britain and Chile have always had such good military and in particular Naval relations due to the British naval assistance in the founding of the Chilean state and Chile has always been grateful for this. This is why one of the current Ships is named after the Famous RN officer Cochrane who went to assist at that time.

I would imagine that they will be delighted with their type 23’s as I bet they got them for a bargain price. Anyone else would probably of had to have paid top dollar.

Anyone else think they might find themselves in posession of a flat top and 20 Harriers in a few years also courtesy of the RN ?

one of Chile’s neighbours

From JNI Dec 2005

Peruvian Navy bolsters frigate force
Luca Peruzzi
Peru is to receive another two ex-Italian Navy Lupo-class frigates, Sagittario and Perseo, to bolster the six already in service as the Carvajal class.
Under the deal, signed in Lima on 28 October 2005, Fincantieri will now take receipt of the vessels to regenerate and upgrade them before delivery to the Peruvian Navy (Armada Peruana) in the second half of 2006.
Work will include an overhaul of the hulls, main and auxiliary propulsion plants, electrical and fire-fighting equipment, as well as modernisation of accommodation areas. The vessels’ existing weapon and combat-management systems will be checked and overhauled, but retained in their standard configuration to ensure commonality across the Carvajal class.
The vessels will join their ex-Italian Navy sister ships Lupo and Orsa (now renamed as BAP Aguirre and BAP Palacios), which Fincantieri delivered in May and June of this year following a period of repair and maintenance work at the company’s Muggiano shipyard in La Spezia.
Both parties have so far declined to disclose the exact costs for the second two ships. However, the Peruvian parliament approved funds totalling USD30 million for the first two-frigate deal and costs for the second are expected to be similar.
These deals were enabled by an Italian law enshrined in 2000, which permits the direct handover of defence assets to a foreign nation through the builder, opening up interesting prospects for the second-hand market.
This acquisition is part of the Peruvian Navy’s Estudio Estratégico para el desarollo de la Escuadra de Alta Mar 2002-10 procurement plan. It aims to provide the service with a total of eight Lupo-class frigates, six Velarde-class missile fast-attack craft (already in service), and two replenishment tankers by 2010, funding and personnel permitting. The Peruvian Navy also plans to upgrade its six Angamos-class Type 209/1200 submarines under the plan.

BTW: Info from www.armada.cl

No, no “new” vessels have arrived in Chile.
As the new vessels arrive, the older (Leanders & spetialy the Countys) will be retired.

The Chilean Navy usualy reuses the same Names for there main surface ships, always having a couple kind in reserve.

So, as new ships arrive, the ones that are not currently used will be given to them (it is very unpropable that all 7 ships will arrive the same time). With the new ships, the names of the retired ones will be availioble & the next comming renamed with them.

The 2 M class FFGs will be named:

FF Almirante Blanco (last ship was a County DDHL tht was retired almost 2 years ago)
FF Riveros (last was a DD that was retired in the late 80s)
both will arive this Dezember.

With there arival most propably the DDHL Almirante Cochrane & Capitan Prat will be retired (both Countys from ’66).
Those 2 names would then pass on to the next vessels that arrive & so on.

On the list then currently:

Almirante Latorre
Almirante Cochrane
Capitan Prat
Almirante Lynch
Almirante Condell
Ministro Zenteno

Those would be the ofitial names, but the ships are then called normaly just Latorre, Cochrane, Prat, Lynch, Condell, Zenteno, Blanco & Riveros

CNS
Almirante Blanco Encalada
FF 15
ex-HNLMS Abraham Van der Hulst Jun-05

CNS
Almirante Latorre
FFG 14
ex-HNLMS Jacob Van Heemskerck Dec-05

CNS
Capitan Pratt
FFG 11
ex-HNLMS Witte de With Aug-06

CNS
Almirante Riveros
FF 18
ex-HNLMS Tjerk Hiddes Apr-07

CNS
Cochrane
??
ex HMS Norfolk 2006

CNS
Lynch
??
ex HMS Grafton 2007

CNS
Condell
??
ex HMS Marlborough 2008

I have this found here. I helped to compile and also help to maintain the list.:

http://www.seawaves.com/current_ship_programs.htm

The 2 M class from holland haven’t arrived yet or have they?

Wondering if anyone knows names and pennant numbers for the new vessels comeing into Chilean service? I assume they will generally take the names of the vessels they replace. The have the two L class from Netherlands and the three Type 23s from the UK to arrive.

Daniel

That’s the point, Forestín; I’ve read very shortsighted opinions here, but there are ignorants all around the world…

yes, but life has also taught us to not profocate other unnecessarily.

unfortunately, life has taught us to keep our sovereignity by keeping strong armed forces…

I agree Brahmos would be a radical shift from their traditional suppliers. I see the possibility of malaysia, indonesia or thailand getting brahmos not chile.

Brahmos is out of question for the Chilean Navy.
Chile thinking of adquiring it was only publsihed by the Indian news (Chile is thinking of adquiring the Indian LAH).

The Brahmos is not feasable becouse of several reasons.
1st ther is the sice. How do you install a Brahmos Launch pod on a M, L or Type 23 or 23 class FFG?.
& even if you could, by installing them in place of the Harpoon/Excocet Pods, you would downsiece the number of SSM from 8 to 2 or max 4.

2nd there is the implicitie that the Brahmos is a crouse missile & much mroe offensive then the Harpoon or Excocet. Chiles neighbours wouldn’t take it to well.

Finaly part of Chileans surface attack capabiliy relays on the capability to deploy there Excocets via the Superpuma. With the Brahmos that wouldn’t be able neather.

With the arrival of the L, M & Type 22 FFGs Chile will be dismissing there Leander FFGs & County DDHs. Both ship types use currently Excocet Missiles (which where installed afterward).
But it is much more practicle for the Chilean Navy to Adquire Harpoons Missiles & sell the remaining Excocets, then to Change the systems of the “new” ships to Excocet.

The Final Request of Harpoon IIs will be at the end propably much higher then only 20, reaching up to 40 or even 60.

Didnt know Chile was intrested in Harpoon Block II missiles, i heard they were really keen on the BrahMos missiles

from JMR Dec 2005

Chile wants to adopt Harpoon Block II

Chile has requested a possible sale of 20 Boeing RGM-84L Harpoon Block II missiles to maintain the anti-ship warfare capability of its frigates purchased from the Royal Netherlands Navy. The RGM-84L Harpoon Block II offers an upgraded targeting capability that significantly reduces the risk of hitting non-combatant targets, and so would improve the Chilean Navy’s operational flexibility. The proposed sale would also help the Chilean Navy to develop and enhance standardisation and operational capability with the US.
In addition to the 20 missiles, the proposed deal would also include containers; training devices; spare and repair parts; supply/technical support; support equipment; personnel training and training equipment; technical data and publications; US government and contractor engineering and logistics support services; and other related elements of logistics support. The total value of the sale could be as high as USD50 million if all options are exercised. US government or Boeing personnel may have to be temporarily based in Chile to handle technical and management oversight and support requirements, but would not be needed permanently.
On 26 March 2004, Chile signed a contract with the Netherlands to acquire two Jacob van Heemskerck-class air-defence frigates and two Karel Doorman-class multipurpose frigates. Deliveries were to begin in November 2005 and be completed in April 2007. Both classes are equipped with two quad launchers for Harpoon Block 1C missiles. Chile is not a Harpoon user and it was not clear at the time of the contract signature whether it planned to adopt the weapon.
The Jacob van Heemskerck class is also armed with the Standard SM-1MR surface-to-air missile (SAM) system. In 2004, Vice Admiral Juan Illanes, head of the Chilean Navy’s Materiel Directorate and acting commander-in-chief of the navy, stated that the acquisition of the two Jacob van Heemskerck-class frigates and their Standard armament would remedy the Chilean fleet’s chronic lack of long-range air-defence capabilities.
Chile will be the first South American naval force to possess this capability; although it procured two County-class guided-missile destroyers from the UK in the early 1980s, these vessels were modified to install an enlarged helicopter flight deck in the location formerly used by the obsolete Sea Slug SAM system

Yesterday the O’Higgins, the 1st of the Scorpene Submarines, entered oficialy service in the Chilean Navy

Sigh, ya, he got me. I didn’t catch on to his passive aggressive attack until it was too late. I guess it’s easier to press my buttons than I thought, I’m stressed out now that school has started. It makes me look bad that I lost my temper, but I learn from my mistakes, so it won’t happen again mods. >.>
I don’t care really care though, I’m passionate about what I believe in, and if you at all can understand where I’m coming from, then you know why it’s important, and worth fighting for.

But seriously: Why does Chile need 100 Leopard2A4 tanks? Well when you have 31,000 combat troops, you want to make them count. Why throw men’s lives away in a tank that’s farther behind in technology.

I don’t know why these questions keep coming up. I hope someone here realises that the ones running the show in national military leaderships are alot better educated, informed, and prepared to comment on these things than us. I don’t know why people have to ask such questions as “why” when we all know there is no answer good enough that another poster can provide.
The best way of looking at it that I can see is that there alot of us war geeks, and we can share info and argue the facts and their implications. That’s what I try to do in other threads, coax someone into evaluating the circumstances that lead to decisions.

And about the native ship building versus foreign vessels: The shipbuilding company (forgot its name) is still going to produce impressive ship designs for the brown water navy, and like many Chilean tech companys, it’s taking a slow conservative appraoch towards adapting to new technology and reproducing it. We might see alot more ambitious plans 10 years from now, who knows?

This, in my opinion is the future of Chilean military shipbuilding (along with the rest of Latin America).
http://www.strategypage.com/gallery/articles/military_photos_20052816.asp
Follow my link stolen from strategy page. It describes a new light, fast, cheap and powerful naval vessel called the sea fighter. It can fight, launch special forces, interdict, and act as a surveillance craft. As a brown water defensive force these vessels could take the pressure off of blue water forces in terms of cost and territorial protection.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/1230.htm
This vessel, the Russian scorpion shows how conceptually a small vessel can be used as a stand in for larger warships and even dish out just as much damage. Coupled with frigates, helicopter carrier(s), landing ships and subs; you can concievably build a powerful projection and defensive force for as much as a currently sized fleet.