The Ultimate Aircraft Type

And on that positive note, lets’ close this thread.

This is an international forum and is supposed to be just a bit of fun. There are lots of people on him, most hiding behind forum names. It is sad when people generalise and say its all the pom’s, yank’s, Oz’s or whatever’s fault.

I come here for a discussion and a bit of fun. I respect other’s opinions….some may be ill-informed, but I would question, not say ‘what have you done’ ‘what have you flown?’.

A league table of your experience is interesting, but does not make you necessarily a nice person – nor does it say that your opinion is any better than any one else’s.

As a cleverer person than I said…’I am the world’s leading expert in my opinion!’

I suppose what I am trying to say is ‘play nicely’.

This thread has meandered way off track from the OPs intent: It is a lovely aeroplane

Well regardless of whose got the biggest family jewels, I still think it’s a damned pretty aircraft.

It certainly is a pretty machine, but despite the bragging of the OP, it’s a meaningless discussion. ultimate in what sense? Flying qualities? Looks? Range? Speed? In the OPs opinion it’s his favourite type. Well that’s lovely but it is just his opinion.

If you’ve written about doing something and have opinions…well, that’s okay. If you’ve done it and have opinions….you’re a blowhard.
:D:diablo::):dev2:

Nah, not at all. If you turn up, write condescending posts, belittle people and talk in a manner that assumes that everyone else is an ill-informed moron, then you’re a blowhard. I know people with thousands of hours of flying experience, who treat people with respect. I’ve also encountered people with plenty of experience who treat people with contempt and condescension. The latter type lose my respect. Not that I expect my respect is of importance to Mister Experience here.

I also think that Mister Mono-plane is big and strong enough that my lack of respect isn’t going to make him lose sleep at night. I’m not losing sleep either, as a disagreement on a discussion forum doesn’t mean much. I’ll happily sleep and dream of ‘wolfpacks’ and ‘convoys’. 😉 In real life, the original poster may be a top bloke. His online persona doesn’t reflect that, though. So, my comments reflect what I’ve read from an online screen-name, and I have no disrespect to whomever is behind it. He may be a good bloke, but his words read poorly.

Oh, and I’m an Aussie, not a Pom. 🙂

Cheers,
Matt

A little better than yours friend.

I soloed at 14 in sailplanes.

At 16 I owned a PA-11 and traded for a Great Lakes, went to work restoring airplanes.

At 21 I graduated from the University of Texas in AeroSpace Engineering and started flying for a commuter airline.

Three years later I was hired at an International operation, five years later was a Capt.

In the United States we only count “Type Ratings” for aircraft over 12,500 pounds so I dismiss your claim to a J-3 Type. I therefore only have 5 type ratings. Therefore here are my license: Airline Transport Pilot Multi-engine land; Single engine commercial and instrument, Flight Engineer Turbojet, Certified Flight Instructor, Multiengine Instructor, Instrument Instructor.

I currently own the following aircraft: 4 Monocoupes, 2 Great Lakes, PA-11, Cessna 150, G model Mooney.

I own in total an airport designated 2TE2.

I won’t get into the total aircraft types I’ve flown or hours however it is at or more then yours. I’ve restored, traded owned sold many airplanes through the years.

If you have a problem grasping it i will submitt proof to any designated member with the request it be kept in private (other than “Soggy C”) and the recipical being fact checked upon you.

Little of that matters here.
What they’re really asking is….

How many times have you posted here?
How many times have you been at Legends?
How many FlyPasts have you read?

Finally…What part of the UK are you from…many Americans are looked on as suspect, regardless of experience.
If you’ve written about doing something and have opinions…well, that’s okay. If you’ve done it and have opinions….you’re a blowhard.
:D:diablo::):dev2:

Deep fwd fuselage
Small tail surfaces (esp fin /rudder )
Fairly ‘close coupled’
Fairly steep ‘ground angle’ (tall landing gear)
Heavy engine
Clipped wing…thus high landing speed
Ineffective ailerons at low speed (also thanks to clip wing)

You just described a few WWII fighters and as previously mentioned, most classic 30s designs…at least anything with more power than a Cub or Moth. Perhaps a Ercoupe for a thrilling weekend? (and no pesky rudder pedals to worry about):D

Would I want to fly one… No
Would I want to go as Pax in one … No

Where’s your sense of adventure?

I have a friend who restored and flew a Beech Staggerwing for many years and 500+ hours.
He’s quite a pilot and has more tailwheel time than tri-gear hours.
Even he had a lot of respect foe the Staggerwing’s lack of ground manners.
Now did that mean I’d turn down a flight in his beautiful aircraft?

NO!:D
The flight over the snow covered mountains is one of my aviation highlights.
If I have faith in the pilot and aircraft…and don’t have to pay for any damage,:diablo:
I’ll fly in anything. That’s how you learn.

Well regardless of whose got the biggest family jewels, I still think it’s a damned pretty aircraft.

Simple rule Mono.

Abuse, even inventing childish names for moderators, gets your post edited out.

Key’s forum, Key’s rules.

Moggy
Moderator

I have approx 50 aircraft type ratings on my Pilot licence from J3 to B747
I have been restoring aircraft since my first one in 1957
I own, have rebuilt and currently operate DH 83C, 84A, 94, Auster L4A, Proctor V, Piper Apache and Yak 52. Current rebuilds are Miles Gemini, Messenger, Auster J1B, DH60M, Tiger, Citabria and Schliecher K7.

Is that all? 😀

Mono Plane-. I have approx 19,000 hours flight time, (probably double that as pax)
I have been an instructor and flight test officer for many years
I have held major category Maintenance Engineer licences since 1962
I have approx 50 aircraft type ratings on my Pilot licence from J3 to B747
I have been restoring aircraft since my first one in 1957
I own, have rebuilt and currently operate DH 83C, 84A, 94, Auster L4A,
Proctor V, Piper Apache and Yak 52. Current rebuilds are Miles Gemini,
Messenger, Auster J1B, DH60M, Tiger, Citabria and Schliecher K7.
No I have not flown a clipwing Monocoupe, but I think the above gives me some inkling as to the handling qualities of an aircraft. ( BTW how does your hand stack up?0

Pretty in a kind of supermodel way ! Sort of out of proportion!

Forgetting all the bitching – that is one hell of a pretty aeroplane.

ROTFLMFAO

Pretty constructive so far I would say 😉

I was commenting about the clipped wing Mono,which the OP laughably calls ‘The Ultimate Aircraft type’,it is not going to have the same handling ‘qualities’ as a standard Monocoupe a/c

rgds baz

Would I want to fly one… No
Would I want to go as Pax in one … No

rgds baz

ROTFLMFAO

http://www.airbum.com/pireps/PirepMullicoupe.html

Admittedly its a Pirep for a Mullicoupe but Bud does a good writeup.

By the definition above in bazv’s posting (excluding the aileron bit) that would make a Pitts Special difficult and a multitude of other aircraft around.

The deHavilland Dragonfly has a similar reputation which is totally undeserved, as does the Pitts Special. This type of discussion is where old wives tales develop.
The Mosquito has a similar reputation but after a very recent conversation with one of the current display pilots it is not really deserved at all either (baring certain circumstances).

Its about respect for the aeroplane as a whole.

No I have not flown a Monocoupe but if given half a chance I would be in it like a shot, until such time I would reserve judgement and give the aeroplane the respect it deserves without prejudice prior to flight. Most of the Monocoupes had a tail skid which would have made it an much more enjoyable aircraft on landing and takeoff and most of the Mullicoupes have a locking tailwheel which again would be a much more pleasant experience.

It is a beautiful aeroplane and one type that I would love to grace my hangar in the future.

Concur Mike, an aircraft does not have to have ‘perfect’ HQs to be fun flying….a bit like a car…..I drive a Messerschmitt KR200….it is not easy to drive, quite uncomfortable but great fun.

I have learned more about that aircraft and its achievements than I would have otherwise known. The fact that others are pointing out HQs that may not perfect is not dissing this aircraft.

I can’t comment first hand, but a couple of friends have recently acquired regular ‘coupes, one with a round engine and one with a flat engine. Both concede that they can catch out the unwary, but really seem to love flying them.

He does not want a constructive discussion John 🙂

Oh heck why not!!!

Mono-plane,

Can you add more to the reasons for your first post?, is it your choice of the ultimate aircraft type?, are you trying to open a discussion to see what other peoples preferred ultimate aircraft type is?.

Do you have flight experience?, pilot rating?, hours on type?.

I for one have actually been quite interested and informed by peoples responses to an otherwise very lack lustre first post, even in light of your quite short and sharp responses!.

It would be nice if you added a little more to a thread you have started then maybe a constructive discussion can take place;)

Regards,

John.