Tiger Moth badly crunched near Wrexham- Pilot OK

Exactly. As a trainer and a “sorter” it is obvious that it did its job rather well, but as a servant it is a bit reluctant.

And yet to my eyes it sort of looks right – the formula doesn’t seem to work to well for the Tiger Moth. In a way, it was unforgiving like the Harvard, so perhaps sorted the men from the boys as a trainer.

I have heard (Unsubstantiated rumour) That Sir G described the Tiger as “An aeronautical abortion, foaled of a maiden and sired by Military Necessity.” For those lucky enough to have flown a DH60G wooden Moth and a Tiger Moth will know exactly what he was on about.

^^It would be considerably cheaper than hull insurance…

It’s only an expensive mistake to the insurance company & everybody else policy next year.

Who is to say that he has hull insurance,for all you know he may only have third party liability and is financing the rebuild himself.

Wasn’t there a saying amongst fliers that when Mr DeHavilland came up with the Tiger Moth he had set back the advancement of aviation development by a good many years with this design? Or something along those lines….

As a type, it features pretty frequently in the accident reports,

Three in the October AAIBs alone 😮

Moggy

YUP, Might just be best if they had their own Insurance company – so as not to cane the rest of us!
Oh, & yes, I am insured on one.

The trouble with Tiger Moths is that they are permanently trying to have an accident, by wanting to go sideways, having lousy ailerons, a high centre of gravity, no brakes, poor crosswind cababilty and a fairly hostile pilot environment, ie very noisy and windy, and often cold. Usually they crumple up nicely, and protect their occupants.

In the 50’s they were a poor mans aeroplane, for people who could not afford to fly ‘modern’ Austers! Now, spares are scarce and a rebuilt engine might be around £20K .

Pay commercial rates, and a rebuild will usually be more than the aeroplane will sell for. As a type, it features pretty frequently in the accident reports, so small wonder that insurance rates are heading north.

All sounds pretty un-appealling, but still…… on the right day, over the rolling countryside, in the summer sunshine, looking through the wings and the wires,
there is something about a Tiger.

Still, I like traction engines too, and wouldn’t want to own one of them either !

It’s only an expensive mistake to the insurance company & everybody else policy next year.

I know Martin, and have flown with him. I am sure that he is a competent and safe pilot but I suspect he agrees that he had made bad decissions, choices and mistakes that day. It was just a bad day, but thankfully he walked away and the aircraft is being repaired.

Very speedy report out .

http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/DH82A%20Tiger%20Moth%20G-AHLT%2010-12.pdf

”The pilot walked it twice on the
morning of the accident and was aware that it was a
difficult landing site, approximately 200 yards (183 m)
long, of which about 170 yards (155 m) was useable.
The field sloped steeply upwards for its first half and
less steeply for the second half. The pilot had measured
the Tiger Moth’s nil-wind landing roll on a flat grass
surface as 120 yards (110 m)”

A ‘challenging’ site, to say the least !

NOTE There are three Tiger Moth accidents in this bulletin , all resulting from failed overshoot attempts.

But WHY did he want to do that, an expensive lesson but glad he is ok.

“Wind speed light and variable” Might there have been a downwind component?
This guy has bigger balls than me, but mine dont ache. I would normally sign off happy landings but in this case it will be

Good luck!! (There but for the grace of allah)

Very speedy report out .

http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/DH82A%20Tiger%20Moth%20G-AHLT%2010-12.pdf

”The pilot walked it twice on the
morning of the accident and was aware that it was a
difficult landing site, approximately 200 yards (183 m)
long, of which about 170 yards (155 m) was useable.
The field sloped steeply upwards for its first half and
less steeply for the second half. The pilot had measured
the Tiger Moth’s nil-wind landing roll on a flat grass
surface as 120 yards (110 m)”

A ‘challenging’ site, to say the least !

NOTE There are three Tiger Moth accidents in this bulletin , all resulting from failed overshoot attempts.

The main thing is that the crew involved in both accidents appear to be Ok.
In the past badly damaged Tiger Moths have been known to be reborn like the phoenix so let’s hope that that is possible for both these aircraft to be up and about again eventually.

G-AHLT is owned and flown by an acquaintance, and I have briefly been made aware of the circumstances.

I flew in G-AHLT for a very pleasant jolly from a field almost adjacent to my home on 8 August 2010 and was allowed to pootle it around local skies and take a close look at Bodiam Castle …on what was the 70th anniversary of ‘Convoy Peewit’. When I checked I found that ‘HLT was in RAF service and flying on that date in 1940, although obviously not involved in ‘Peewit’. Fun, though, to have flown in and (and ‘flown’ it) on that date.

I hope ‘HLT is re-born in due course and glad to hear you are OK, Martin.

Some images here:

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2012-08-13/tiger-moth-plane-crash-in-pictures/

Another image of it in happier times (8 August 2010 to be precise!) in the two website links at the foot of my postings.

The press report on the Lossiemouth Tiger incident states

A spokesman for the UK Air Accidents Investigations Board said they were aware of the crash but did not intend sending investigators to the scene.

He said: “Subsequent enquiries will be through correspondence which will involve writing to the pilot and anyone else involved.”

Is that normal?

a Whitley came down around there during WW2. ive had a shufty in the past and its a strange place to walk around.. glad the pilot was ok but its a ruddy odd place to land unless he wanted to get the “highest” village in his logbook?? 😮

Can see it now, “For sale. Half share in 1930’s Tiger Moth” Guess which half you’re getting.

Yep, I’m also glad the pilot in unhurt. Well, apart from his pride.

Sad news, glad the pilot is O.K. Not the oldest Tiger flying was it?