Time for rethink ?

Why don’t we just close this thread and pretend it never happened :rolleyes:

The hard-working mods here at Key get a 100% discount on the sub for their chosen magazine.

*Stands back and awaits the stampede*

Moggy

T5

It might have worked in 2005 here in Commercial. But elsewhere it was not so successful.

What a wealth of volunteers we had then. These days people are a little more reluctant to seize the poisoned chalice.

Moggy

so there is a good chance that it would work again in this forum?

As for getting volunteers , how close dose the Webmaster and the Editor of Keypublishing work , would it be an idea to ask Key if they would put up a reward , like a 50% discount on a subscription to one of their publications for those who were chosen as Mods

I know from other groups who had a problem securing committee members that this kind of approach works

As the applications are to the webmaster, that’s a question you’ll have to ask him.

Moggy

What a wealth of volunteers we had then. These days people are a little more reluctant to seize the poisoned chalice.
Moggy

How are the nominations going? I imagine more people would accept after being nominated than volunteering themselves.

T5

It might have worked in 2005 here in Commercial. But elsewhere it was not so successful.

What a wealth of volunteers we had then. These days people are a little more reluctant to seize the poisoned chalice.

Moggy

…It seemed to work back in 2005…

Crikey, that is quite the post from the past!

But with currently some 16,380 members is it really practical for everybody to have a say or a veto?

do we have the right to object to their appointment if we deem them unsuitable

Moggy,

Yes, it is.

16,380 might have signed up for the forums but I wonder what percentage of these members have made any contribution at all – even just one post? I wouldn’t like to guess but I am certain it would be significantly less than half.

Aside from those who have never posted, how many of the forum’s members frequent the forums, whether to participate in discussions or just to read what is going on? How many even visit the commercial aviation forum and how many are even aware of the problems that have recently come to light? Consider these points and the 16,380 is probably whittled down to a more realistic two or three hundred.

Would the easiest way not be to have a vote and go with what the majority says? It seemed to work back in 2005. I guess we need to bear in mind that it would be impossible to please everybody, but if there were genuine concerns, one of the existing moderators or even the webmaster can be contacted.

… we need some kind of say in those who are put forward as Mods

.. when a new mod or mods are chosen.. do we have the right to object to their appointment if we deem them unsuitable

Not an unreasonable request on the face of it. But with currently some 16,380 members is it really practical for everybody to have a say or a veto?

Moggy

If I may interject briefly having been here for some time

1) We have tried elections for moderators and it all ended in grief.

2) I’d love that job. But who’d referee on complaints about me? (Incredible as it may seem there has been one or two)

3) Lots of changes are made to the board subtly and to make it all run better. If a change is made and enough people yell “I don’t like it” it does get changed back as in the current case. No change is ever going to leave everybody happy.

Hi Moggy
Point 1 OK I take you’re point on that ,but we need some kind of say in those who are put forward as Mods
Point 2 If you took up the job and if some one had the balls to complain about you then that would be the Webmasters domain

Point 3 I think that mods should stick to watching over the post and such , but making big changes to the forum should be up to the Webmaster not the Mods
Like the moving of the Images thread /Group, that should have been done by the Webmaster not a mod , but when we did complain nothing was done and a lot of people did voice their opposition to this , only to be told the decision was final and ” this is a Dictatorship” , comments like that have inflamed and angered quite a few members

I have watched a few threads that yourself and Deano have presided over and I have to say I was more than impressed by both of you’re approach to handling these difficult threads and my hat goes of to you both. You have both earned my respect maybe those others mods should take a look at you’re approach

As for putting my name forward , I have just given the riens up from moderating a group after 4 years and Im enjoying the free time and the peace

I think this is all much ado about nothing..personally i have no problems with any moderator or their style.. and if i’ve ever had a problem ..a quick PM to any of the moderators usually fixes it..if you want to add another moderator to the team ..what about a more mature age sensible person like Michael (Newforest ) or J Boyle..and when a new mod or mods are chosen.. do we have the right to object to their appointment if we deem them unsuitable

Thanks, it makes sense and I suppose is an inevitable problem of having a very large and disparate membership.

1) Some of those elected turned out to be simply not suitable. Some of those elected declined to take up the offer.

2) Fine by me. I’ll take the job. But it still doesn’t address the inevitable that there is never such a thing as a ‘membership’ consensus, so the chance of any one moderator being acceptable to all is infinitely small to somewhere way beyond the vanishing point.

Moggy

Moggy – the old timers will know the answers but out of interest:

1. Why?

2. If the membership all accept an “ubermoderator” shouldn’t we tacitly accept that his decision is final – and not complain if don’t like it?

My Thoughts

1) Moderators : Picked by the members every year ,if we (the members) think that a moderator has been good at the job then we can offer that position to that person for another year but not for longer than 4 years running

2) A uber moderator who can be reached when the Webmaster is away and who can referee between members and moderators especially on complaints

3) If there are major changes to be made to the forum like moving sub forums , then I believe that we the members should be asked our opinions and based on those comments changes made or left as they are

If I may interject briefly having been here for some time

1) We have tried elections for moderators and it all ended in grief.

2) I’d love that job. But who’d referee on complaints about me? (Incredible as it may seem there has been one or two)

3) Lots of changes are made to the board subtly and to make it all run better. If a change is made and enough people yell “I don’t like it” it does get changed back as in the current case. No change is ever going to leave everybody happy.

Moderation is largely a task of booting out spammers, sub-editing the titles of threads so that the board look literate on first viewing and endlessly reminding people that there’s no need to quote the entirety of the post you are answering, particularly when it is directly above the response.

There are vacancies now on Commercial, so don’t just whinge here, put your name forward and make a case for it being you.

Moggy

The reason this thread started was ,Allen felt that a moderator was doing what ever he like and no one was aloud to criticize or complain about these changes and when a complaint was made nothing was ever done about them
I do feel the same way as Allen and I believe that we are not the only ones
We need a change and soon, as most of the good guys are no longer wanting to contribute to a forum that is run this way

There is no way of saying it without upsetting some one but thats the way I see it

My Thoughts

Moderators :
Picked by the members every year ,if we(the members) think that a moderator has been good at the job then we can offer that position to that person for another year but not for longer than 4 years running

A uber moderator who can be reached when the Webmaster is away and who can referee between members and moderators especially on complaints

If there are major changes to be made to the forum like moving sub forums , then I believe that we the members should be asked our opions and based on those comments changes made or left as they are

To be Fair to other Moderators i dont think adding more would make any Difference and really that Kinda undermime’s the mod’s that are here Now.

If they are not up to the Job then Kick them out before adding more cause that wont make any difference.

Ive only ever spoken with Deano and Lance and everytime ive had a problem they have sorted it right away.

ok yes maybe more Mod’s would make things easier for some (those that work and away alot) but really dont keep deadwood if they arent needed.

Just my opinion goodluck anyway.

Rob

i would like to vote for pmn has a moderator
neil

Kev – I much appreciate the thought, thank you. But I am very much a new kid on the block and still have much to learn about the Forums and how they work. My availability, due to other commitments, is also rather sporadic, with 3 or 4 days logged on for several hours and then away for a day or two, so I don’t think I could give the time, which I guess is required.

Think of me again in a year or so, when I have caught up with some of you old hands!”:)

Regarding moderation, I would propose PMN and Sky High should they be interested.

Thanks for putting me forward, Kev. I wouldn’t be uninterested by any means, although my duties on JP obviously take a reasonable amount of my time. That said, I still spend plenty of time here so perhaps it may work. If those making such decisions (and of course fellow forum members) consider me suitable for the job then I’d be more than happy to look further into it.

Paul