Titanic took a wrong turn… apparently

There is a new series that starts on Monday at 9PM on channel 4 where they attempt to remanufacture some parts of the Titanic and one of the items is the bow and I think the anchor

info, looks good 🙂

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/titanic-the-mission

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/TV-show-rebuilds-the-Titanic.6331941.jp

Such a very amazing link!
Thanks you for the reply.

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I can’t believe you said that Creaking Door…

I can’t believe you said it before I did!:D

…if Titanic had avoided the iceberg then nothing would have happened.

And we’d never have got to see Kate Winslet naked…..oh, no, forget I said anything! :rolleyes:

I think posts 41 and 42 pose an interesting question. I know less than little about the Titanic but post 41 and Sandy’s response did get me thinking.

Ostensibly it’s true, if Titanic had avoided the iceberg then nothing would have happened. But then again, what would have happened to the passengers who lost their lives had they in fact survived? Almost 1,500 examples of unfulfilled potential would have had the opportunity. What might any or all of them have achieved? I know we will never know, but the possibilities are infinite. Maybe someone would have gone on to find a cure for cancer. Perhaps someone else would have killed Hitler during the Great War. Maybe great things might have been achieved. Then again, maybe one of those who died on Titanic would have gone on to make Hitler look like a saint.

Interesting to ponder on, even if it is a pointless exercise.

Regards,

kev35

An interesting point but to put it in perspective from one angle some of the people who died on the ship were Rich and Famous especially the men who refused to leave (John Jacob Aster, Isisdor Straus etc) and died with their honour where others fled and were left with none (Bruce Ismay), If you put it in a modern perspective would a sinking ship filled with today’s Rich elite stand aside to let the women and children go first?

The one big thing was that those who lived did so mostly by sheer luck or being in the right place at the right time and others survived after the ship sank due to other strange things like Baker Charles Joughin who had drunk so much Alcohol that it allowed him to survive in the water for over 2 hours where most died after 5 minutes or so.

curlyboy

I think posts 41 and 42 pose an interesting question. I know less than little about the Titanic but post 41 and Sandy’s response did get me thinking.

Ostensibly it’s true, if Titanic had avoided the iceberg then nothing would have happened. But then again, what would have happened to the passengers who lost their lives had they in fact survived? Almost 1,500 examples of unfulfilled potential would have had the opportunity. What might any or all of them have achieved? I know we will never know, but the possibilities are infinite. Maybe someone would have gone on to find a cure for cancer. Perhaps someone else would have killed Hitler during the Great War. Maybe great things might have been achieved. Then again, maybe one of those who died on Titanic would have gone on to make Hitler look like a saint.

Interesting to ponder on, even if it is a pointless exercise.

Regards,

kev35

It has been proven that a ship can his an iceberg at speed and survive.

It has also been proved that a ship can graze an iceberg and sink! 😉

I guess we will never know.
It has been proven that a ship can his an iceberg at speed and survive.

And yet the collision was so gentle that very few passengers even realised that Titanic had hit the iceberg.

I’m still convinced that ploughing straight into it at twenty-two knots would have sunk her.

Ah yes, I forgot about the keel damage. I saw the documentary where they presented the theory and the evidence for it.

It’s now theorised that Titanic not only side swiped the iceberg, but may have also ridden over a “spike” of ice.

One little point the main screws were turned by the main reciprocating engines but the centre screw was powered by a steam turbine and reversing the engines required the engines be slowed to a certain point before they could be reversed all of which took time.

The theory normally held was that if the ship was turned and the engines left at ahead speed instead of stopped she would also have missed the ice berg but this is all heresay as the damage that sank Titanic quicker was from the keel being damaged not just from the many small holes punched in her side as the flooding pattern of the bow damage pointed to her sinking in 6 to 8 hours not 2 hours, but this was not put forward until a couple of years ago when a section of the keel from one side of the ship to the other was found.

This is how 2 of the engine room started flooding not long after the bow had been punctured.

And yes the mission Titanic programme was very interesting and gives a fantastic insight in how she was built, the next episode about how they made the Anchor looks as good.

curlyboy

Titanic the mission any one see that last night. very interesting.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/titanic-the-mission

Nobody has mentioned yet how close the iceberg was when it was seen and how fast the Titanic was steaming. I’m sure there are lots of figures out there but the ones I have to hand are that the iceberg was something like 500 yards ahead when the officer-of-the watch became aware of it (cue argument about exactly what that means) and the Titanic was doing twenty-two-and-a-half knots.

Time-wise we are talking about 30 to 45 seconds to impact!

she was a large ship by any standards and was steaming full ahead at the time to be honnest i personaly feel most scenarios were unsavable for her

even with binoculars it is not a given the berg would have been spotted in time

the size , the speed and the burg most other factors become irrelavant

a ship that size manouvering that late was only ever going to have one fate

no mater what was done with the controls !!

Nobody has mentioned yet how close the iceberg was when it was seen and how fast the Titanic was steaming. I’m sure there are lots of figures out there but the ones I have to hand are that the iceberg was something like 500 yards ahead when the officer-of-the watch became aware of it (cue argument about exactly what that means) and the Titanic was doing twenty-two-and-a-half knots.

Time-wise we are talking about 30 to 45 seconds to impact!

This is where the serious Titanoracs hang out:

http://titanic-model.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=100&topic_id=38260&mode=full

That’s an excellent site; thanks for posting!

Particularly the ’37 seconds’ article (which contains all I’d ever want to know about ship manoeuvring)! 😀

I’m certainly don’t know the facts re distance, timing, and turning circles, but in theory yes, I’m also making an assumption that it didn’t matter which way to turn as it was calm (getting back to th original point) but that would depend on the iceburg form etc, the loss of time, power and control was more important IMO, all too easy in hindsight though!

So, theoretically if flank speed ahead had been orded, more prop wash would have meant more rudder contol and a smaller turning circle, maybe, just maybe turning Titanic out of the was in time?

Back to prop-wash over rudder for control, it can not be underestimated how valauble this is along with speed through water, in those moments when the props were doing nothing and winding up in to reverse the rudder is almost useless. Don’t forget low-speed manouvering by ships is usually achieved through tugs and on more recent ships built in systems like the bow and stern thrusters.
The Titanics rudder may look comparitively small, but it was prefectly acceptable for normal use, it wouldn’t have been envisaged to suddenly stop and reverse engines while trying to make an avoiding steer.
I have been on loads of sea trials in my previous work aboard RFAs and Ferries mainly and ships react in a very odd way when not making any sort of speed and without turning and stabilisation aids.

The nearest aeronautical analogy I can think of is the Harrier where the rudder becomes useless at steering at very low speed / hovering and when the reaction control jets take over.

or possibly would hit another and sink faster further away from help !!:eek:

Theoretically nothing. It would be another near miss in the history books. We’d certainly not be talking about any of this. Titanic would just be another ship in history,

I wonder what would happen if the Titanic turned the right way? That means it might not have hit the iceberg. What would happen then?